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Post by honkytonkwoman on May 25, 2016 22:59:14 GMT -5
At least we got to see MMB's cute belly button in Season 6. (But I can think of a lot more enjoyable ways that could have happened. ) Oh you know it!
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Post by Starlight on May 30, 2016 10:00:16 GMT -5
I have so my reservations about Carol going into season 7 and it's all down to what SG did with the character in season 6 and the reason why he did it.
Realistically I know her arc could continue to be a mess or SG could simplying fix her. Now that he has her and yoda at The Kindgom, where he always wanted them to be.
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Post by greaterpursuit on May 31, 2016 17:23:44 GMT -5
I have so my reservations about Carol going into season 7 and it's all down to what SG did with the character in season 6 and the reason why he did it. Realistically I know her arc could continue to be a mess or SG could simplying fix her. Now that he has her and yoda at The Kindgom, where he always wanted them to be. This is the first season I'm not looking forward to my favorite character's arc. I'll have to wait and see just how much of it I can take if SG continues slaughtering her character.
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Post by Meggo358 on May 31, 2016 20:27:04 GMT -5
I feel like I'm the only Carol fan who isn't totally bummed on what's about to happen next. I've never read the comics so perhaps ignorance is bliss?
I do agree a lot needs to go right in order to for her story to come together well but honestly after the last two seasons, I'll be glad for her to get a change of scenery and a fresh start (I realize that's not officially what's happening - I'm hoping though that's how it turns out).
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Post by Starlight on Jun 1, 2016 8:10:21 GMT -5
One of the biggest issues with Carol goimg into seasom 7 is that she needs a good story, to cancel out the shit in season 6. And The kindgom isn't going to do that.
Carol as a character took a hit with the OOC shit and the Morgan crap in season 6. And at the moment it looks like it could continue in season 7.As long as Morgan is involved / forced in Carol's orbit the character will continue to be used as a prop for him.
Also from what I have heard RK added the kindgom to the comics so he could eventually write out Michonne so he could concentrate on other comic characters.. and we have 2 characters added to the kindgom instead if one..so maybe SG's long term thinking is to either write out Morgan again or Carol.
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Post by Meggo358 on Jun 1, 2016 8:48:18 GMT -5
Because I don't believe Morgan is long for TWD world, I don't worry about him too much, and I continue to believe he will struggle with the realization that his philosophy was built on sand and that Carol was right. I think this, in combination with Carol having to mobilize in some way due to the saviors (which seems inevitable) will contribute to her letting go of her (completely unnecessary) guilt.
I could see her decision to stay at the kingdom being based on recognizing that the kingdom needs someone like her (late season 7) - I don't see her returning to the ASZ and honestly, given how depressing her time with TF has mostly been since her return from terminus (with occasional exceptions), I don't really feel sad about that specifically. I do worry very much about what that means for her character as a focus of the show, however.
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Post by Starlight on Jun 1, 2016 13:52:55 GMT -5
Because I don't believe Morgan is long for TWD world, I don't worry about him too much, and I continue to believe he will struggle with the realization that his philosophy was built on sand and that Carol was right. I think this, in combination with Carol having to mobilize in some way due to the saviors (which seems inevitable) will contribute to her letting go of her (completely unnecessary) guilt. I could see her decision to stay at the kingdom being based on recognizing that the kingdom needs someone like her (late season 7) - I don't see her returning to the ASZ and honestly, given how depressing her time with TF has mostly been since her return from terminus (with occasional exceptions), I don't really feel sad about that specifically. I do worry very much about what that means for her character as a focus of the show, however. Going by the writing for Morgan and SG thinking that Morgan is the second coming. I can't see SG killing of his muse after waiting so long for LJ to become available. I think there is more chance of Ezekiel being killed in season 7 than Morgan dying.. Also the show is going to have to be very very careful with how they write Carol. They can't have her just swap locations/ group for another. It would look like she is just choosing a group on nobodies over her family who have been with her since the start..she could could across as selfish and hypocrite if we see her killing for these newbie nobodies as that was the reason she left asz. The kindgom arc could actually do further damage to Carol's character instead of actually fixing the character.
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Post by Meggo358 on Jun 1, 2016 14:16:31 GMT -5
Because I don't believe Morgan is long for TWD world, I don't worry about him too much, and I continue to believe he will struggle with the realization that his philosophy was built on sand and that Carol was right. I think this, in combination with Carol having to mobilize in some way due to the saviors (which seems inevitable) will contribute to her letting go of her (completely unnecessary) guilt. I could see her decision to stay at the kingdom being based on recognizing that the kingdom needs someone like her (late season 7) - I don't see her returning to the ASZ and honestly, given how depressing her time with TF has mostly been since her return from terminus (with occasional exceptions), I don't really feel sad about that specifically. I do worry very much about what that means for her character as a focus of the show, however. Going by the writing for Morgan and SG thinking that Morgan is the second coming. I can't see SG killing of his muse after waiting so long for LJ to become available. I think there is more chance of Ezekiel being killed in season 7 than Morgan dying.. Also the show is going to have to be very very careful with how they write Carol. They can't have her just swap locations/ group for another. It would look like she is just choosing a group on nobodies over her family who have been with her since the start..she could could across as selfish and hypocrite if we see her killing for these newbie nobodies as that was the reason she left asz. The kindgom arc could actually do further damage to Carol's character instead of actually fixing the character. I think quite a lot has been made of the comment LJ made about his storyline benign moved around, and I'm not sure if that one comment really tells the whole story around the leaps and bounds SG may or may not have gone to get him back on the show. I just don't know if one quick comment from LJ is enough to assume SG considers him the second coming. Part of the reason I feel this way is that the storyline between Carol and Morgan wouldn't have made any more sense in season 5 than it did in season six...because of that, I don't know if I believe huge adjustments were made....could just be gimple choked in terms of story telling I do absolutely agree that a lot of things have to go right in order for the kingdom to correct what the show has screwed up. But I do think it's possible, and because I'm not eager to go back to watching Carol being a bit of an under appreciated member of TF I'm open to the possibility of the kingdom working. I don't think it has a great chance, but there isn't much that's guarenteed to go well this season on the show as a whole, so perhaps I should say I'm as optimistic about the kingdom as much as I am about anything else.
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Post by Starlight on Jun 1, 2016 15:00:15 GMT -5
Meggo358 we know from interviews with SG he has being trying to get LJ / Morgan back on the show since he took over the show. And I would say the fact that SG accommodated LJ wishes not to return in season 5 and instead just gave him those little pop up moments until he was available says alot about how SG sees LJ and Morgan. Also the fact that he moved his story from season 5 even though it completely disruptived the natural flow of other characters stories says alot... And I disagree the story between Carol and Morgan would have fitted better in season 5b because Carol would have been at a very very low point after the girls / tyreese dying. without the show having to create new scenarios as they did in season 6 to get her back to that low point she was in season 5. And I know from your comments you have high hopes for the kindgom. That kinda hedges on Morgan seeing he is wrong and apologising to Carol. But honestly I can't see any of that happening. Because every character in Morgan's orbit are written as props for him. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Ezekiel being reduced to propping Yoda too. I also think the fact that comic fans aren't interested in this arc says alot, when usually they are all up for the comics arcs being transfered to the screen.
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Post by Meggo358 on Jun 1, 2016 15:41:16 GMT -5
Meggo358 we know from interviews with SG he has being trying to get LJ / Morgan back on the show since he took over the show. And I would say the fact that SG accommodated LJ wishes not to return in season 5 and instead just gave him those little pop up moments until he was available says alot about how SG sees LJ and Morgan. Also the fact that he moved his story from season 5 even though it completely disruptived the natural flow of other characters stories says alot... And I disagree the story between Carol and Morgan would have fitted better in season 5b because Carol would have been at a very very low point after the girls / tyreese dying. without the show having to create new scenarios as they did in season 6 to get her back to that low point she was in season 5. And I know from your comments you have high hopes for the kindgom. That kinda hedges on Morgan seeing he is wrong and apologising to Carol. But honestly I can't see any of that happening. Because every character in Morgan's orbit are written as props for him. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Ezekiel being reduced to propping Yoda too. I also think the fact that comic fans aren't interested in this arc says alot, when usually they are all up for the comics arcs being transfered to the screen. All good points, as usual. I haven't seen many gimple interviews talking about wanting to get LJ back, so that may simply be a lack of information on my part. Until season 5 I never heard gimple reference him at all. If there were some in season 4, when he took over, it's easy to think I might have just missed those. I actually don't think at all the Carol/Morgan storyline would have made any more sense in season 5. That was part of my reason for why I don't know if delaying the story a season makes a difference one way or another and why I question how much shuffling around gimple really did for LJ (though again, if there are many interviews out there suggesting that then my theory doesn't stand). As far as for my hopes for the kingdom - I'd never describe them as high! I just haven't written it off yet (and if you see me suggesting that feel free to slap me across my internet face and yelling for me to "snap out of it"). One reason is because of MMB herself, and another is because I absolutely think Morgan will have to understand and acknowledge Carol is right and he was wrong. The alternative requires that we pretend he didn't kill someone, and as much as this show loves a dropped storyline I don't see that happening. Plus, I do think being away from the group and having a fresh start would be good for Carol.
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Post by Starlight on Jun 1, 2016 17:42:33 GMT -5
Meggo358 If Carol and Morgan had played out in seasons 5 as planned. SG wouldn't have had to prolong Carol's breakdown and dragged it through season 6 adding scenario after scenario to get her to that point she was in season 5. During season 4 scott gimple often talked about morgan returning and was quoted saying that "yes he was certain that Morgan would return" I think SG fascination with Morgan / LJ stems from the episode "Clear" it is known to be one of the best episodes ever done, and gave SG alot of recognition. Something he tried to recreate with "here's not here in season 6. I don't think we are going to agree on The Kindgom and what it means for Carol because we have completely different thoughts on yoda and his story. (rofl)
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Post by reckon on Jun 6, 2016 7:33:20 GMT -5
I wonder if Carol will see TF at all in 7A (or 7B). Maybe if Jesus takes Rick to see Ezekiel?
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Post by Starlight on Jun 6, 2016 9:25:17 GMT -5
I wonder if Carol will see TF at all in 7A (or 7B). Maybe if Jesus takes Rick to see Ezekiel? It's all the depends on SG pacing, if he wants to drag out 7a then it could be 7b before Jesus and Rick go to the kindgom. If he wants move the story forward, then I could see Rick and Jesus visiting the kindgom in episode 7.
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Post by reckon on Jun 16, 2016 1:37:45 GMT -5
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Post by Mia on Jul 3, 2016 14:58:26 GMT -5
I love her little tummy.
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Post by Starlight on Jul 3, 2016 16:32:52 GMT -5
I wanted natural storytelling for Carol in season 7. No more forcing arcs onto her to fit plots or to give another character (Morgan) something to do.
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Post by reckon on Jul 3, 2016 20:23:59 GMT -5
I love her little tummy. I love her little tummy and her big....um........eyes. :
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Jul 3, 2016 21:21:13 GMT -5
I love her little tummy. I love her little tummy and her big....um........eyes. :
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Post by Mia on Jul 4, 2016 15:29:20 GMT -5
I love her little tummy. I love her little tummy and her big....um........eyes. : She has nice eyes.
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Post by Starlight on Jul 4, 2016 16:58:29 GMT -5
One thing I want for Carol in season 7 is better freaking clothing. Her clothing has been awful since she hit ASZ in 5b..
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Post by greaterpursuit on Jul 4, 2016 19:50:47 GMT -5
One thing I want for Carol in season 7 is better freaking clothing. Her clothing has been awful since she hit ASZ in 5b.. Eulyn (is that how you spell her name?) must have hated Carol/Melissa. Thrilled that she's gone and there's a chance MMB will get to wear some decent clothing like all the other women!
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Post by Starlight on Jul 4, 2016 20:01:04 GMT -5
One thing I want for Carol in season 7 is better freaking clothing. Her clothing has been awful since she hit ASZ in 5b.. Eulyn (is that how you spell her name?) must have hated Carol/Melissa. Thrilled that she's gone and there's a chance MMB will get to wear some decent clothing like all the other women!
I don't think she hated Melissa. She just lacked imagination when it came to dressing Carol. I liked Carol's clothing in season 4 and 5A. The moment the housewife shit arc started Carol's clothes became ugly as hell.. there was no excuse for those clothes. Eulyn could have picked nicer and more fitted clothing.
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Post by v on Jul 5, 2016 9:56:47 GMT -5
Eulyn (is that how you spell her name?) must have hated Carol/Melissa. Thrilled that she's gone and there's a chance MMB will get to wear some decent clothing like all the other women!
I don't think she hated Melissa. She just lacked imagination when it came to dressing Carol. I liked Carol's clothing in season 4 and 5A. The moment the housewife shit arc started Carol's clothes became ugly as hell.. there was no excuse for those clothes. Eulyn could have picked nicer and more fitted clothing. believe it or not I talked to E about carol's clothes once she hit the asz and the whole idea was to make carol look like a den mother so she could fly under the radar. Basically she was meant to look as harmless as possible. It was also a way for Carol to hide from everything she has been through, become someone else. Think 1950's sitcom mom's. As ugly as the the sweaters were, they served a purpose.
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Post by Starlight on Jul 5, 2016 11:50:36 GMT -5
I don't think she hated Melissa. She just lacked imagination when it came to dressing Carol. I liked Carol's clothing in season 4 and 5A. The moment the housewife shit arc started Carol's clothes became ugly as hell.. there was no excuse for those clothes. Eulyn could have picked nicer and more fitted clothing. believe it or not I talked to E about carol's clothes once she hit the asz and the whole idea was to make carol look like a den mother so she could fly under the radar. Basically she was meant to look as harmless as possible. It was also a way for Carol to hide from everything she has been through, become someone else. Think 1950's sitcom mom's. As ugly as the the sweaters were, they served a purpose. Thanks...so the show was actually going for 1950's mom..I thought they just sticking her in ugly clothing lol.
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Post by v on Jul 5, 2016 11:52:16 GMT -5
Who would he worried about some "mom" in flower print sweaters??? Lol
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Post by Meggo358 on Jul 5, 2016 14:42:26 GMT -5
Who would he worried about some "mom" in flower print sweaters??? Lol Given the way the show had Daryl react to carols clothing in season 5 it did seem like "harmless mom" was the point, and not suggesting that this is simply what a woman carols age was supposed to be wearing. But I gotta say as last season went on carols outfits got more painful to watch in comparison to the other women. Fingers crossed the kingdom has some cute stuff
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Post by Starlight on Jul 5, 2016 15:10:06 GMT -5
I gotta say as last season went on carols outfits got more painful to watch in comparison to the other women. Fingers crossed the kingdom has some cute stuff This..... The females including the red shirts are usually dressed better than Carol. I'm so over seeing Carol in those combat trousers.I want her in nice fitted Jean's same with her tops. And no more white tops they completely wash out Melissa.
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Post by Meggo358 on Jul 5, 2016 15:32:37 GMT -5
I gotta say as last season went on carols outfits got more painful to watch in comparison to the other women. Fingers crossed the kingdom has some cute stuff This..... The females including the red shirts are usually dressed better than Carol. I'm so over seeing Carol in those combat trousers.I want her in nice fitted Jean's same with her tops. And no more white tops they completely wash out Melissa. I agree, and while I do think it was purposeful it still sent a bad message and was too extreme. It wouldnt surprise me when Carol comes out on the other side of her grief we see her in more flattering attire and a much more rested look
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Post by Starlight on Jul 5, 2016 16:05:59 GMT -5
This..... The females including the red shirts are usually dressed better than Carol. I'm so over seeing Carol in those combat trousers.I want her in nice fitted Jean's same with her tops. And no more white tops they completely wash out Melissa. I agree, and while I do think it was purposeful it still sent a bad message and was too extreme. It wouldnt surprise me when Carol comes out on the other side of her grief we see her in more flattering attire and a much more rested look
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Post by dark sister on Jul 6, 2016 21:19:31 GMT -5
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