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Post by atlanta on May 24, 2017 14:30:03 GMT -5
I want Carol to go back with her family. With the people who were in her worst moments this makes me think of Lori, Andrea and Tyreese. : ( For me her worst moment was when Sophia die, she need to go back with the people who were with her in this terrible moment *** That's what I think. Not everyone can want the same or think the same. For me the people who have been at our worst moment are invaluable
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Post by Meggo358 on May 25, 2017 0:22:43 GMT -5
this makes me think of Lori, Andrea and Tyreese. : ( For me her worst moment was when Sophia die, she need to go back with the people who were with her in this terrible moment *** That's what I think. Not everyone can want the same or think the same. For me the people who have been at our worst moment are invaluable I hear you, for sure. I have an association of Lori and Andrea with the Sophia plot line (or maybe it's just season 2 overall?) hence the sad face
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Post by atlanta on May 25, 2017 5:59:18 GMT -5
For me her worst moment was when Sophia die, she need to go back with the people who were with her in this terrible moment *** That's what I think. Not everyone can want the same or think the same. For me the people who have been at our worst moment are invaluable I hear you, for sure. I have an association of Lori and Andrea with the Sophia plot line (or maybe it's just season 2 overall?) hence the sad face Andrea and Lori was with her in the Ed things too She need to go back with her family
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Post by merelei on May 29, 2017 8:07:03 GMT -5
Besides the obvious, I really really hope we get to see Carol putting down Walker!Rayon.
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Post by booksrbetter on May 29, 2017 12:41:56 GMT -5
I hear you, for sure. I have an association of Lori and Andrea with the Sophia plot line (or maybe it's just season 2 overall?) hence the sad face Andrea and Lori was with her in the Ed things too She need to go back with her family There is not much family left and they don't seem to concerned about her. Rick left her to die and turn. Carol has never had an onscreen conversation with Michonne. Carl is busy being Carl. I don't want Carol to come back to Alexandria unless she is really part of the family. The show has to evolve from the constant villain threat to include more aspects of civilization being rebuilt. Having different communities working together to survive makes sense and the inevitable clashes might provide some drama. Don't get me wrong, I want rid of the trash hip gang and Oceanside or at least see very little of them. The Kingdom, Hilltop, and Alexandria could be led by the remnants of the family. Maggie's strong moral sense against Rick's need to be in charge. Honestly, given the choice of which of the three groups to join? I'm going to the Kingdom. They had the good sense to follow a strong and principle leader and everyone works toward their mutual survival. I think Carol's journey would be better suited there. Alexandria is always going to be Rick and Michonne.
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Post by atlanta on May 29, 2017 17:52:38 GMT -5
Andrea and Lori was with her in the Ed things too She need to go back with her family There is not much family left and they don't seem to concerned about her. Rick left her to die and turn. Carol has never had an onscreen conversation with Michonne. Carl is busy being Carl. I don't want Carol to come back to Alexandria unless she is really part of the family. The show has to evolve from the constant villain threat to include more aspects of civilization being rebuilt. Having different communities working together to survive makes sense and the inevitable clashes might provide some drama. Don't get me wrong, I want rid of the trash hip gang and Oceanside or at least see very little of them. The Kingdom, Hilltop, and Alexandria could be led by the remnants of the family. Maggie's strong moral sense against Rick's need to be in charge. Honestly, given the choice of which of the three groups to join? I'm going to the Kingdom. They had the good sense to follow a strong and principle leader and everyone works toward their mutual survival. I think Carol's journey would be better suited there. Alexandria is always going to be Rick and Michonne. The Kingdom is always going to be Ezekiel. But well, don't take me into account, I have a special topic with Ezekiel.
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Post by Starlight on May 30, 2017 11:01:47 GMT -5
booksrbetter it's the way SG writes. He automatically thinks the fans/ GA should know that TF care about Carol. So he seems to think he doesn't need to show it on the show. Its the way he writes the characters and the show. All the characters forgot each other in 4b and all the characters didn't seem to care that Daryl was at Sanctuary during 7a. Ideally I would like Carol to go to Hilltop and help Maggie.But due to the comics Hilltop is Maggie's arc. And SG seems to following the comic arc there for her. Agree ASZ is Grimes / Michonne. The kindgom if SG remixes it would be a good choice for Carol,Daryl and Morgan.The Kingdom really doesn't have much of a presence in the comics. It would give SG a place for his own fanfiction and give non- comic characters a place to fit.
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Post by Starlight on May 30, 2017 11:11:48 GMT -5
atlanta I disagree on this In the comics neither Ezekiel or The kindgom have much presence. So it will be easy for SG to remix the place and it's leadership. He already remixed and changed certain stuff at The Kingdom in season 7.I think Ezekiel and Gregory are both on the show to serve the same purpose. And that purpose is to pass over their leaderships to the Maggie and Carol.
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Post by atlanta on May 30, 2017 11:36:17 GMT -5
atlanta I disagree on this In the comics neither Ezekiel or The kindgom have much presence. So it will be easy for SG to remix the place and it's leadership. He already remixed and changed certain stuff at The Kingdom in season 7.I think Ezekiel and Gregory are both on the show to serve the same purpose. And that purpose is to pass over their leaderships to the Maggie and Carol. Don't know. Maybe.
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Post by gia on May 30, 2017 12:05:32 GMT -5
-keep the jeans she wore in the finale -a reunion with Team family (with some hugs) -scenes with Daryl -not to be used for stupid plot devices or Gimple's "kreativ" ideas -a chance to talk about what she went through -I'd like to hear Rick thank her again for saving Judith I wanted to talk about one of your points here. I think Carol really needs a heart to heart with Rick. I want them to talk about what she had to do to keep Judith safe. The horrible sacrifice she had to make, and how it has ripped her apart. I want him to tell HER that he now understands why she did what she did to Kavid and agrees with it, and how grateful he is for what she did in the Grove, and how he sees what that did to her. I know he welcomed her back and asked if they could join her, which was good, but she obviously needs more. Someone besides herself needs to know what happened in the Grove, because she can't see it objectively. I would love her to talk to Daryl about it as well, but I think we'll be lucky to get it mentioned to one person, and she really needs to hear it from Rick. And for the writers to then try to make Sam's death about her was awful. That pissed me off.
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Post by Starlight on May 30, 2017 12:17:55 GMT -5
-keep the jeans she wore in the finale -a reunion with Team family (with some hugs) -scenes with Daryl -not to be used for stupid plot devices or Gimple's "kreativ" ideas -a chance to talk about what she went through -I'd like to hear Rick thank her again for saving Judith I wanted to talk about one of your points here. I think Carol really needs a heart to heart with Rick. I want them to talk about what she had to do to keep Judith safe. The horrible sacrifice she had to make, and how it has ripped her apart. I want him to tell HER that he now understands why she did what she did to Kavid and agrees with it, and how grateful he is for what she did in the Grove, and how he sees what that did to her. I know he welcomed her back and asked if they could join her, which was good, but she obviously needs more. Someone besides herself needs to know what happened in the Grove, because she can't see it objectively. I would love her to talk to Daryl about it as well, but I think we'll be lucky to get it mentioned to one person, and she really needs to hear it from Rick. And for the writers to then try to make Sam's death about her was awful. That pissed me off. Totally agree with this... We had Rick tell Michonne he owned Carol in 5a... Then again we had him tell Morgan about how he would have killed Kavid and how he saw Carol. The writers need to have Rick tell Carol to her face not other characters. The Sam shit was about SG's Morgan boner... O_o
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Post by dandelioncherokee on May 30, 2017 13:13:00 GMT -5
booksrbetter it's the way SG writes. He automatically thinks the fans/ GA should know that TF care about Carol. So he seems to think he doesn't need to show it on the show. Its the way he writes the characters and the show. All the characters forgot each other in 4b and all the characters didn't seem to care that Daryl was at Sanctuary during 7a. Ideally I would like Carol to go to Hilltop and help Maggie.But due to the comics Hilltop is Maggie's arc. And SG seems to following the comic arc there for her. Agree ASZ is Grimes / Michonne. The kindgom if SG remixes it would be a good choice for Carol,Daryl and Morgan.The Kingdom really doesn't have much of a presence in the comics. It would give SG a place for his own fanfiction and give non- comic characters a place to fit. This. Basically the SG writing destroys every plausible chain of events you could imagine. In a nutshell,I want Carol to be with Daryl,whereever,because she is clearly happy and herself then.From the narrative buildup it is pretty clear to me that Daryl wants to be with Carol and vice versa.And I think it is absolutely no possibility that Daryl would be more loyal to TF than to Carol.No way,imo. So,for me the setup is pretty clear,Daryl and Carol settling together. BUT you never know with Gimple,sadly. The story he writes doesn't need to feel right,it only has to hit the right points on his to-do list. And the result is ALWAYS a mishmash of socially and emotionally questionable interaction or worse- not interacting at all. *sigh*
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Post by honkytonkwoman on May 30, 2017 16:25:15 GMT -5
booksrbetter it's the way SG writes. He automatically thinks the fans/ GA should know that TF care about Carol. So he seems to think he doesn't need to show it on the show. Its the way he writes the characters and the show. All the characters forgot each other in 4b and all the characters didn't seem to care that Daryl was at Sanctuary during 7a. Ideally I would like Carol to go to Hilltop and help Maggie.But due to the comics Hilltop is Maggie's arc. And SG seems to following the comic arc there for her. Agree ASZ is Grimes / Michonne. The kindgom if SG remixes it would be a good choice for Carol,Daryl and Morgan.The Kingdom really doesn't have much of a presence in the comics. It would give SG a place for his GiowGimn fanfiction and give non- comic characters a place to fit. Agreed on Gimple's writing and also I think the Kingdom (which is quite engaging to me) could be a place for some original storytelling with characters not in the comics.
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Post by Starlight on May 30, 2017 16:40:05 GMT -5
booksrbetter it's the way SG writes. He automatically thinks the fans/ GA should know that TF care about Carol. So he seems to think he doesn't need to show it on the show. Its the way he writes the characters and the show. All the characters forgot each other in 4b and all the characters didn't seem to care that Daryl was at Sanctuary during 7a. Ideally I would like Carol to go to Hilltop and help Maggie.But due to the comics Hilltop is Maggie's arc. And SG seems to following the comic arc there for her. Agree ASZ is Grimes / Michonne. The kindgom if SG remixes it would be a good choice for Carol,Daryl and Morgan.The Kingdom really doesn't have much of a presence in the comics. It would give SG a place for his GiowGimn fanfiction and give non- comic characters a place to fit. Agreed on Gimple's writing and also I think the Kingdom (which is quite engaging to me) could be a place for some original storytelling with characters not in the comics. Personally don't like the kindgom I find it boring as hell. But it very obvious that SG is setting up characters at certain locations, because he doesn't know when not to follow the comics And he needs favourites at these locations to get fans / GA to watch these new locations. Even though it didn't do nothing for the ratings in season 7, all the new locations and characters only caused ratings to drop and drop.
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Post by greaterpursuit on May 30, 2017 16:51:03 GMT -5
booksrbetter it's the way SG writes. He automatically thinks the fans/ GA should know that TF care about Carol. So he seems to think he doesn't need to show it on the show. Its the way he writes the characters and the show. All the characters forgot each other in 4b and all the characters didn't seem to care that Daryl was at Sanctuary during 7a. Ideally I would like Carol to go to Hilltop and help Maggie.But due to the comics Hilltop is Maggie's arc. And SG seems to following the comic arc there for her. Agree ASZ is Grimes / Michonne. The kindgom if SG remixes it would be a good choice for Carol,Daryl and Morgan.The Kingdom really doesn't have much of a presence in the comics. It would give SG a place for his own fanfiction and give non- comic characters a place to fit. ITA. There was dialogue between Carol and Morgan in the Season 6 finale (in the library) clearly indicating that Carol cares about Team Family and they care about her. The problem with Gimple, as Starlight points out, is that is all he thinks he has to do to communicate that to the audience. Once is enough. As well, we're looking at it from the perspective of being invested in Carol and her well being so we examine and analyze all the events and conditions surrounding her story. Gimple doesn't. Not for Carol or hardly any of the characters. I mean really. This is the showrunner that wrote Michonne having to kill a child to save Rick and not having any ill effect from that event. Carl loses his eye and barely missed it, apparently, until Negan decided to chide him about it. There's no logical follow-up to these stories and events. That just how he rolls.
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Post by honkytonkwoman on May 30, 2017 17:50:55 GMT -5
As well, we're looking at it from the perspective of being invested in Carol and her well being so we examine and analyze all the events and conditions surrounding her story. Gimple doesn't. Not for Carol or hardly any of the characters. I mean really. This is the showrunner that wrote Michonne having to kill a child to save Rick and not having any ill effect from that event. Carl loses his eye and barely missed it, apparently, until Negan decided to chide him about it. There's no logical follow-up to these stories and events. That just how he rolls. Yep. That's Gimple.
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Post by Starlight on May 31, 2017 8:57:25 GMT -5
Question about season 8 Carol. I see of Carol fans being shocked that Carol is with the kindgom group in tracking, which is very surprising. because Carol fans have been talking about Carol leading the kindgom eventually. My question is how exactly do Carol fans see Carol getting the leadership at the kindgom, if SG chooses that route for Carol on the show. Do fans think that Carol would just be given it or something without her having to do anything for that role. Hilltop provided Maggie with medical help. They gave her a home and a place to hide from Negan/ saviors. SG then showed Maggie saving hilltop...he showed her working and training with the hilltop people. Which means that when he does the comic story it won't be a big arc moment. Maggie will have earned her place at Hilltop. Carol unlike Maggie has done nothing for The kingdom. While the kindgom gave Carol medical help and a place to stay in the creepy house. So if SG chooses to give Carol the kindgom. Won't Carol have to do something to earn the kindgom people's trust and earn her place as their leader if SG does that story with Carol.
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Post by Meggo358 on May 31, 2017 9:13:36 GMT -5
Question about season 8 Carol. I see of Carol fans being shocked that Carol is with the kindgom group in tracking, which is very surprising. because Carol fans have been talking about Carol leading the kindgom eventually. My question is how exactly do Carol fans see Carol getting the leadership at the kindgom, if SG chooses that route for Carol on the show. Do fans think that Carol would just be given it or something without her having to do anything for that role. Hilltop provided Maggie with medical help. They gave her a home and a place to hide from Negan/ saviors. SG then showed Maggie saving hilltop...he showed her working and training with the hilltop people. Which means that when he does the comic story it won't be a big arc moment. Maggie will have earned her place at Hilltop. Carol unlike Maggie has done nothing for The kingdom. While the kindgom gave Carol medical help and a place to stay in the creepy house. So if SG chooses to give Carol the kindgom. Won't Carol have to do something to earn the kindgom people's trust and earn her place as their leader if SG does that story with Carol. Personally I don't see carol necessarily becoming "the leader" of the kingdom, but rather I see her being a key member of the kingdom community. The reason that Maggie effortlessly glided into a leadership role at the hilltop was (a) plot convenience and (b) their current leader was terrible. The kingdom already has a decent leader. But that said, I think she's already on her path to being a respected member of the community. She's chosen to stay with them, chosen to fight on their team. The show demonstrated her giving directed and others responding without issue. If she swung in expecting everyone to look to her instead of Ezekiel then I would expect more to be done on her part, but at the moment I think just joining in and "replenishing the well" is enough. If ezekiel dies down the road and Carol became leader, I could easily see that trust having been earned through time if Carol is able to contribute to some wins and good decisions during AOW. There's plenty of time for credibility to build if the show went in that direction (but I still have a hard time picturing Carol as the main community leader)
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Post by murph on May 31, 2017 9:20:42 GMT -5
Question about season 8 Carol. I see of Carol fans being shocked that Carol is with the kindgom group in tracking, which is very surprising. because Carol fans have been talking about Carol leading the kindgom eventually. My question is how exactly do Carol fans see Carol getting the leadership at the kindgom, if SG chooses that route for Carol on the show. Do fans think that Carol would just be given it or something without her having to do anything for that role. Hilltop provided Maggie with medical help. They gave her a home and a place to hide from Negan/ saviors. SG then showed Maggie saving hilltop...he showed her working and training with the hilltop people. Which means that when he does the comic story it won't be a big arc moment. Maggie will have earned her place at Hilltop. Carol unlike Maggie has done nothing for The kingdom. While the kindgom gave Carol medical help and a place to stay in the creepy house. So if SG chooses to give Carol the kindgom. Won't Carol have to do something to earn the kindgom people's trust and earn her place as their leader if SG does that story with Carol. I honestly think she's already on her way there, which I understand may be less than people would want to see, but I think it's already happening. She doesn't have to earn it the same way Maggie does because Maggie's is a hostile takeover, whereas the actual leader of The Kingdom has chosen to give Carol that role. Ezekiel has a good relationship with his people (verses Gregory) and they fall in line because they trust him and like him. I think Carol having that support from Ezekiel and just showing she's competent, as she already has done, is going to be it.
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Post by Starlight on May 31, 2017 10:31:37 GMT -5
Question about season 8 Carol. I see of Carol fans being shocked that Carol is with the kindgom group in tracking, which is very surprising. because Carol fans have been talking about Carol leading the kindgom eventually. My question is how exactly do Carol fans see Carol getting the leadership at the kindgom, if SG chooses that route for Carol on the show. Do fans think that Carol would just be given it or something without her having to do anything for that role. Hilltop provided Maggie with medical help. They gave her a home and a place to hide from Negan/ saviors. SG then showed Maggie saving hilltop...he showed her working and training with the hilltop people. Which means that when he does the comic story it won't be a big arc moment. Maggie will have earned her place at Hilltop. Carol unlike Maggie has done nothing for The kingdom. While the kindgom gave Carol medical help and a place to stay in the creepy house. So if SG chooses to give Carol the kindgom. Won't Carol have to do something to earn the kindgom people's trust and earn her place as their leader if SG does that story with Carol. I honestly think she's already on her way there, which I understand may be less than people would want to see, but I think it's already happening. She doesn't have to earn it the same way Maggie does because Maggie's is a hostile takeover, whereas the actual leader of The Kingdom has chosen to give Carol that role. Ezekiel has a good relationship with his people (verses Gregory) and they fall in line because they trust him and like him. I think Carol having that support from Ezekiel and just showing she's competent, as she already has done, is going to be it. I don't know.I think SG will do something heroic with Carol and The Kindgom people echoing Maggie in 'Go Getters'. Maggie stepped up when Gregory did his usual coward self. I see the same thing happening with Carol at The Kindgom. If SG follows Zeke's comic part were he throws himself a pity party. It would give SG the perfect opportunity to show Carol in a leadership role taking the reins, while Zeke checks out.
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Post by murph on May 31, 2017 11:09:06 GMT -5
I honestly think she's already on her way there, which I understand may be less than people would want to see, but I think it's already happening. She doesn't have to earn it the same way Maggie does because Maggie's is a hostile takeover, whereas the actual leader of The Kingdom has chosen to give Carol that role. Ezekiel has a good relationship with his people (verses Gregory) and they fall in line because they trust him and like him. I think Carol having that support from Ezekiel and just showing she's competent, as she already has done, is going to be it. I don't know.I think SG will do something heroic with Carol and The Kindgom people echoing Maggie in 'Go Getters'. Maggie stepped up when Gregory did his usual coward self. I see the same thing happening with Carol at The Kindgom. If SG follows Zeke's comic part were he throws himself a pity party. It would give SG the perfect opportunity to show Carol in a leadership role taking the reins, while Zeke checks out. Oh, well I definitely don't think grand, dramatic badassary Carol moments is something Gimple will say no to, that's true. And I hope there's development there between her and Kingdom characters. But I don't think Carol will be pitted against Ezekiel in any way. It's possible, but I don't think Gregory or Ezekiel are anything alike and so I don't think Maggie and Carol will act alike. Maggie's is a take over, Carol's been welcomed. It's just different, to me. There has been multiple incidents of the Kingdom group already giving Carol their support, her stepping up already happened. I don't expect a big conflict or a question about Ezekiel or anything like that. I think the subtly of Carol just stepping up, as she already has done, fitting in as if she always was there, is how it will go, as opposed to big speeches and such by Maggie. I think the equivalents in terms of foundation have already happened. Hilltop had them coming up to the door ready to fight and saying they were ready, Kingdom had them all at Carol's doorstep with smiles. Hilltop had Maggie training them, Kingdom had Carol leading them and being the one telling them to pick up their weapons. Gregory realising how effective Maggie could be, Ezekiel realising the same of Carol. Things like Ben picking up on how competent she is and them taking him to Carol's house. Maggie running in with Hilltop to the rescue at Alexandria, Carol running in with the Kingdom. I think that's all the equivalent stuff to Maggie making her mark on Hilltop. I think there was a point in it running alongside each other and whilst yeah, dramatic, team moments I'm sure are still to come, I mostly just think it will be continuation of what's been established. I think the Kingdom and Hilltop are very different places and it's shown in how they've taken to Carol and Maggie.
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Post by Starlight on May 31, 2017 14:45:16 GMT -5
murph I don't think there would be any kind of conflict between Carol and Zeke. More he checks out and Carol simply steps in. Carol's presence with Ezekiel and the Kindgom knights is already a remix to what happens in the comics at this point. So for me I want Carol to be there for a reason. And not to be used to prop the deaths of red shirts...a stupid tiger...and a location. Carol needs and deserves to have her own story after being used as a prop for Morgan / the kindgom in season 6 & 7. So I'm going to hope there is more to Carol being with The Kindgom group. Other than SG doing what he did in season 7 putting favourites with newbies. because he knows the majority of people won't care about what happens to a group newbie characters.
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Post by murph on May 31, 2017 14:59:03 GMT -5
murph I don't think there would be any kind of conflict between Carol and Zeke. More he checks out and Carol simply steps in. Carol's presence with Ezekiel and the Kindgom knights is already a remix to what happens in the comics at this point. So for me I want Carol to be there for a reason. And not to be used to prop the deaths of red shirts...a stupid tiger...and a location. Carol needs and deserves to have her own story after being used as a prop for Morgan / the kindgom in season 6 & 7. So I'm going to hope there is more to Carol being with The Kindgom group. Other than SG doing what he did in season 7 putting favourites with newbies. because he knows the majority of people won't care about what happens to a group newbie characters. I do get what you mean, and why you want it, but I think we come from such different point of views on this, mostly because of Kingdom/Morgan opinions. I don't need anything to justify Carol being there, I'm happy with her there. I like the location, I like the tiger, I like the redshirts. And I don't think Carol is a prop to Morgan - or, at least not more than he is for her. I think both of them were removed from their most important people, both struggled in that storyline and ultimately Carol will outlast Morgan and prolly most of the Kingdom itself (I think). When it comes down to it, they'll all be a part of her story, one that goes way past any of them. So I just see it differently. And it could totally be because of my personal opinion, but I just don't think there will be any kind of question mark about Ezekiel at all. Not him majorly faulting or failing or anything. Team moments, human moments, yeah, but not anything really major. Again, I'm prolly being biased because I don't want it, but with so much inner conflict at the Hilltop and having happened at Alexandria, I don't want a similar thing at Kingdom and other than 'comics', I don't see a need for it. I like that there's an easiness there. This is something we'll prolly just disagree on but I think the audience is already on Ezekiel's side. I do hope you find something you enjoy about the Kingdom though. I can imagine how frustrating it is for you and I like that you're looking for possibilities that will make it better for you watch.
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Post by greaterpursuit on May 31, 2017 16:42:07 GMT -5
Gimple could easily just scrap the "Carol as Kingdom leader" story that people seem to be wanting in favor of some other story for Carol. As far as we knew, she was only ever there to get the GA interested in the Kingdom. Based on GA members I speak to, there definitely wouldn't be much interest in it otherwise.
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Post by Starlight on May 31, 2017 17:49:29 GMT -5
Gimple could easily just scrap the "Carol as Kingdom leader" story that people seem to be wanting in favor of some other story for Carol. As far as we knew, she was only ever there to get the GA interested in the Kingdom. Based on GA members I speak to, there definitely wouldn't be much interest in it otherwise. This ^^^^^^ SG needs to have favourites at the new locations to get the GA / fans to watch.. look at how amc promoted 'Bury me here'. The promotion was based around Carol. But what the viewer got was a Morgan/ kindgom episode. The biggest reason as to why Daryl was stuck at Santuary in 7a was to get the GA to watch. Same with him floating from Santuary to Hilltop to The kindgom back to Hilltop then to oceanside then back to ASZ. The TPTB know the GA have no interest in watching episodes made up of newbies. Another thing that is kinda niggling me about this whole Carol as the kindgom leader spec is that comic Michonne doesn't actually permanently lead The kindgom. That role goes to another character William down the road after the time jump, when the kindgom is in the background doing zero. And for some reason alot of fans are ignoring this part from the comics. So unless SG completely remixes the kindgom for the screen, Carol at the kindgom could be a waste land story with her getting even less screen time. And that would include Daryl being there, because I could see the show using him as a runner going from one location to another trying to entice the GA to watch.
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Post by booksrbetter on Jun 1, 2017 9:01:21 GMT -5
Do I think Carol has won the hearts and minds of the people of the Kingdom? Probably not (and someone is still looking for that chocolate bar) but Carol seemed to be liked by its warriors. Ezekiel and Morgan kept checking on her. Jerry brought cobbler. She did everything she could to save Ben. She proved her fighting ability when she killed all the walkers at the Kingdom's gate. She came to them to join the fight. She went with them to Alexandria and fought as hard as any of them. Carol is in the action at the Kingdom. She isn't baking cookies or scheming against anyone. This is the storyline that I would like to see her have. She's evolved into this role. I can see her and Daryl fitting in there and neither did at Alexandria. Maybe Ezekiel will continue to be the leader. IMO(and I really mean IMO) the Kingdom is far more interesting than Alexandria. Ezekiel (because of KP's portrayal) is kind and charismatic. Jerry is adorable. Richard was both multilayered.The Kingdom has diversity and inclusion. It feels like a real community. Its a place of healing. Look at the difference in Carol and Morgan. Carol has voluntarily left the creepy house to take up arms to fight the saviors. Morgan is in time out at the creepy house but he didn't have a full blown episode of "clearing" after Ben was killed. He's in pain but he's not crazy.(LJ is also a great actor) IMO the three best actors are at the Kingdom now, MMB, KP, and LJ. The weakest actors are at Alexandria CR, CS, AM. Hilltop is the least interesting of all. Has Carol earned a leadership position at the Kingdom? Did Rick earn one in Alexandria? It's all about telling the story. Reality left the station a long time ago.
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Post by Starlight on Jun 1, 2017 14:06:13 GMT -5
I don't think you can really compared Rick being leader of TF and Maggie being the leader of Hilltop. Both leaderships were decided by the comics. Those characters were always going to get those roles no matter what.
Carol being the leader of kindgom is not comic based. And will only happen because SG wants to push another character into a comic role. Similar to what he did with Sasha in season 6 & 7.
And in the comics Michonne didn't turn around And go "I'm going to lead TF and lead The Kindgom".Rick asked her to do it because it made sense from a tactical point.
I think the show should do a similar set up with Carol and Rick if they do Carol at The Kindgom. Carol simply choosing a group she has known for about a few weeks over TF will look strange. Unless they explain why she is choosing this new group over the group she has been with since the beginning.
If SG keeps The Kindgom he is going to have to do alot detours from the comics were it's not even used. This story could even up being another pointless story in the end.
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Post by booksrbetter on Jun 1, 2017 20:12:35 GMT -5
I don't think you can really compared Rick being leader of TF and Maggie being the leader of Hilltop. Both leaderships were decided by the comics. Those characters were always going to get those roles no matter what. Carol being the leader of kindgom is not comic based. And will only happen because SG wants to push another character into a comic role. Similar to what he did with Sasha in season 6 & 7. And in the comics Michonne didn't turn around And go "I'm going to lead TF and lead The Kindgom".Rick asked her to do it because it made sense from a tactical point. I think the show should do a similar set up with Carol and Rick if they do Carol at The Kindgom. Carol simply choosing a group she has known for about a few weeks over TF will look strange. Unless they explain why she is choosing this new group over the group she has been with since the beginning. If SG keeps The Kindgom he is going to have to do alot detours from the comics were it's not even used. This story could even up being another pointless story in the end. I really want SG to take a lot of detours from the comics. IMO he follows it too closely. Carol taking a leadership role at the Kingdom because Rick thinks it is a good idea? Carol may have some of Michonne's comic storyline but Carol's moving to the Kingdom should be based on what she wants to do. I know it is a popular idea that Carol and Morgan at the Kingdom is "pointless" but I liked that they evolved there, Carol accepted that she must kill to defend her family (and that maybe her family might grow). Morgan found a place where he was useful. He had his heart broken when Ben was killed and he found himself in rage mode again. Most storyline can seem pointless. Rick hanging around the pea patch and then back in rage mode when he and Tyreese tangled. Michonne pouting at Andrea and then grieving after Andrea died. Daryl continually failing to protect others...Beth, Denise, ect. Carl's futile attempts to strike back at Negan. Tara promising the Oceansiders that she wouldn't give away their location only to lead Rick's crew to steal all their weapons.
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Post by reckon on Jun 3, 2017 21:11:07 GMT -5
The last Rick heard about Carol was when Morgan told him she had left the kingdom. Then Rick saw Carol at Alexandria, joining the battle against Negan. Now that Negan and the Heapsters have retreated momentarily, I'd love to see a happy Carick hug.
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Post by nixnax on Jun 27, 2017 8:43:16 GMT -5
First and foremost I want carol to be healthy in body and mind I think the step scene at the final shows that she's found balance so that's a great start
Less misery yes we know that MMB has the prettiest cry face on TV but she also has a beautiful smile please let her use it
Her image, season 7 had a lot of the who are you going on if carol has found who she is please give her, her own image through the season's she's gone through so much transformation please dress her in something that reflects the sassy woman warrior that she is this does not include floral prints
Carol vs negan I'm so torn on this one a part of me thinks wow carol giving negan a verbal beat down hell yeah then the next minute I'm like no no no keep all bat wielding maniacs away from my carol she's too precious
ASZ vs the kingdom another one I'm torn on Part of me thinks carol would flourish at the kingdom zeke has already shown that he's willing to seek advice so setting up a council wouldn't be a stretch daryl too seemed at his best on the prison council so if they did kill zeke these two and maybe Morgan running the kingdom could work
But ASZ is where TF is and I would love to see carick scenes I would love to see carol with Rick,s kids again I want carol in the thick of it so to speak just because I want to see her on my screen
Ultimately a happy healthy carol who has plenty of screen time planning wars and getting the job done and of course caryl
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