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Post by dark sister on Aug 22, 2017 9:33:35 GMT -5
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Post by dark sister on Aug 22, 2017 20:42:00 GMT -5
This title is repetitive. I wish they had gone with something else.
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Post by zinc on Aug 22, 2017 20:46:55 GMT -5
Just praying to the drowned god, the old gods, the new gods, to every fucking god in every fucking heaven that this episode leaks already.
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Post by merelei on Aug 24, 2017 7:11:28 GMT -5
Just praying to the drowned god, the old gods, the new gods, to every fucking god in every fucking heaven that this episode leaks already. I pray to the Father for judgement during the wait, I pray to the Mother for mercy on all our patience, I pray to the Warrior for strength to not seek out spoilers, I pray to the Smith to mend bridges and strengthen bonds between people in the fandom, I pray to the Maiden to keep our favourite female characters safe from Dragonfire, I pray to the Crone to give Benioff and Weiss the wisdom not to fuck this up, and I say to the Stranger; NOT TODAY.
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Post by merelei on Aug 27, 2017 16:28:18 GMT -5
Hey friendos! Tonight there is a live stream with many different GoT commentators on Youtube! I'm there just hanging out, so if you guys want to check it out sometime tonight, you'll all be welcome! <3 Secrets of the Citadel Live Stream
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Post by merelei on Aug 27, 2017 20:03:26 GMT -5
WHO ELSE IS PUMPED?!
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Post by sonia on Aug 27, 2017 20:11:58 GMT -5
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Post by sonia on Aug 27, 2017 20:40:35 GMT -5
I like the scene between Cersei and Tyrion
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Post by sonia on Aug 27, 2017 20:50:13 GMT -5
God, I hate Littlefinger. And I hate that Sansa is so gullible.
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Post by sonia on Aug 27, 2017 21:02:25 GMT -5
Well, well. Maybe Sansa is not so gullible after all. Littlefinger is going down. I did not see that coming.
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Post by zinc on Aug 27, 2017 21:29:57 GMT -5
2. Only good part of this episode was the scene between the Starks and Littlefinger. I felt the dialogue could be better given the amount of material and characterization they had to draw on from the 4 of them.
The rest of this episode? I'm just pissed off right now.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 27, 2017 21:44:56 GMT -5
The episode had some flaws, but I felt overall a good ending. Gave it a 7.
I liked Sansa and Arya having resolved some of their differences and outwitted Littlefinger at last. He was such the huge villian in the first few seasons, but his death felt oddly unsatisfactory to me.
I liked Pod, Bronn and Tyrion meeting as well as Brienne and Jaime- even better she made that great comment to Jaime as they parted.
I have to sit with this a while and watch Insecure plus John Oliver so will post details later.
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Post by merelei on Aug 27, 2017 21:45:12 GMT -5
Things I loved:The music. OMG when it opened, they mixed the music of the Unsullied and the Lannisters, it was SO Satisfying. I'm just wondering how many other music scores can blend together. Has someone does this? I need mash-ups. Plot lines coming together. I just loved this. I didn't even expect a flashback scene but I'm SO HAPPY I GOT IT!! The dude who played Rhaegar is a dead-ringer (HA) for his younger brother, so great casting there, A++ The Dialogue. It was brutal, it was honest, no more dancing around (eventually) The North Remembers. That is all.ICE. FLAME. YES. The acting. Holy crap, great job everyone, honestly. Things Not So Much;Cersei. I was angry when she reneged on her words and went against Jaime, but it's becoming more and more obvious that she's turning into the Mad King 2.0 The parallels here are starting to really come together. I'm still digesting everything here, as Gemma said on the podcast just now, I'll have another watch tomorrow and maybe I'll have more Actually I might watch the whole season over!! I need to stop watching things late at night, I swear I will wake the neighbourhood....
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Post by zinc on Aug 27, 2017 21:51:09 GMT -5
Jesus fucking Christ, I'm fuming. Even the Hound approaching the Mountain...potential for such a fucking amazing encounter...and THAT? THAT IS WHAT WE GOT? hahahaha are you fucking kidding me?
How do we go from this to an interaction that was written by a third grader. And the Mountain just walks away because...well, we have to move on to the next part that doesn't concern you lol.
But I'm pretty sure lurkers who just started watching this year are wondering why I care about the story between the Mountain and the Hound. Who gives a fuck about those characters? There's so much to squee about like Jonerys, Jamie and Brienne making eye contact and the classic children's book 2 dimensional story of good vs. evil.
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Post by zinc on Aug 27, 2017 21:58:41 GMT -5
Things Not So Much;Cersei. I was angry when she reneged on her words and went against Jaime, but it's becoming more and more obvious that she's turning into the Mad King 2.0 The parallels here are starting to really come together. I'm still digesting everything here, as Gemma said on the podcast just now, I'll have another watch tomorrow and maybe I'll have more Actually I might watch the whole season over!! I need to stop watching things late at night, I swear I will wake the neighbourhood.... That was one of the decent parts. Consistent characterization is key and there was no deeper motive for her to go hand in hand and skip around in a field of flowers with those who want to take her throne. At least she didn't waste valuable screentime with the most inane boring dialogue about bending the knee only to surrender the North anyway.
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Post by sonia on Aug 27, 2017 22:06:03 GMT -5
I liked it enough, although I have a problem with the fact that we have another incestuous pairing, even though contrary to the other two, Jon and Daenerys don't know that they are related.
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Post by dark sister on Aug 27, 2017 22:08:14 GMT -5
I'm giving it a 9. LOVES Littlefinger's death scene Sansa and Arya's last talk Tyrion and Cersei's scene. Jaime and Brienne CLEGANEBOWL confirmation LIKES The Dragonpit sequence was wonderful I really liked Sam and Bran's scene. This scene was awesome but poor Viserion with holes in his wings DISLIKES I thought the pacing could've been a bit better, when we got scenes like Theon and the Iron Islanders it just dragged because I couldn't care less about them. Rhaegar is still an asshole.
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Post by sonia on Aug 27, 2017 22:20:08 GMT -5
I'm giving it a 9. LOVES Littlefinger's death scene Sansa and Arya's last talk Tyrion and Cersei's scene. Jaime and Brienne CLEGANEBOWL confirmation LIKES The Dragonpit sequence was wonderful I really liked Sam and Bran's scene. This scene was awesome but poor Viserion with holes in his wings DISLIKES I thought the pacing could've been a bit better, when we got scenes like Theon and the Iron Islanders it just dragged because I couldn't care less about them. Rhaegar is still an asshole. What the heck is Cleganebowl?
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Post by zinc on Aug 27, 2017 22:26:41 GMT -5
I'm giving it a 9. LOVES Littlefinger's death scene Sansa and Arya's last talk Tyrion and Cersei's scene. Jaime and Brienne CLEGANEBOWL confirmation LIKES The Dragonpit sequence was wonderful I really liked Sam and Bran's scene. This scene was awesome but poor Viserion with holes in his wings DISLIKES I thought the pacing could've been a bit better, when we got scenes like Theon and the Iron Islanders it just dragged because I couldn't care less about them. Rhaegar is still an asshole. What the heck is Cleganebowl? A duel between Sandor Clegane and Gregor Clegane. Lol oops, we just got absolutely rudimentary dialogue that just made a mockery of the complexity of the story and the character development over the series. Some fools see it as a cute minor character reunion. It doesn't make them squee, so why is it worth any screentime, right? Fucking morons.
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Post by merelei on Aug 28, 2017 4:02:44 GMT -5
Things Not So Much;Cersei. I was angry when she reneged on her words and went against Jaime, but it's becoming more and more obvious that she's turning into the Mad King 2.0 The parallels here are starting to really come together. I'm still digesting everything here, as Gemma said on the podcast just now, I'll have another watch tomorrow and maybe I'll have more Actually I might watch the whole season over!! I need to stop watching things late at night, I swear I will wake the neighbourhood.... That was one of the decent parts. Consistent characterization is key and there was no deeper motive for her to go hand in hand and skip around in a field of flowers with those who want to take her throne. At least she didn't waste valuable screentime with the most inane boring dialogue about bending the knee only to surrender the North anyway. Well don't get me wrong, it makes complete sense for her characterization, as you said, doesn't mean I have to like it XDD
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Post by murph on Aug 28, 2017 6:18:26 GMT -5
It was pretty representative of how I've felt most of the season. Lots of things I really liked, but lots of stupid and lacking too.
One thing that's been on point the whole season is everything visually, and that extends to the costumes. Littlefinger being covered all season and this was one of the first times his arms were showing, his intentions. Arya being half covered for both her fighting style and as her personality, Sansa matching that this episode. Dany incorporating more and more fur trims to match Jon. Jon and Arya's matching hair-style. The outfit changes in King's Landing to show it's getting colder and winter is coming. I've enjoyed those all season.
I love Ned Stark and Ned referencing, but it's become a substitute for good writing. Theon and Jon talking should be about Robb. It's Robb he betrayed, but instead it's all about Jon and without subtlety. "You're a Greyjoy, and a Stark. You don't have to choose." is really "I'm a Targaryen, and a Stark" "Our father was more of a father to you than your father." is really "Ned wasn't my father but he was." Like okay, we get it.
And this constant just saying "Ned Stark" is the answer to so many things about the Starks. There should be more talk of Robb.
The Theon and Bronn and Jamie paralleling/foreshadowing was better. "What do you fight for if you don't have a cock?", "Family". But even still, it wasn't necessary especially considering there wasn't any Bronn and Jamie after that and Theon's scene didn't need the extra add-on for it.
Arya and Sansa storylining continues to be about shock and is stupid as a result. The fact that there was no 'this is what was really happening and when' and instead was just 'yeah, at some point this somehow happened' shows again how badly it was done. There wasn't intelligence in that. Something I did appreciate was the comment about how Littlefinger turned Catelyn and Lysa against each other and was trying with Arya and Sansa. GoT is so about each generation being like the previous, so I liked that.
I felt it was more obvious than ever how much Jamie has been stalled just for the sake of the right timing for everything else. I'm glad he's finally going to get the character development he should have been getting for over a season now.
I loved the King's Landing meet and how many layers of family stuff there was going on. Lannisters, Greyjoys, Clegane. It was very well done. And it was all about character interaction, which I appreciated. And again, Bronn and Tyrion, Bronn and Pod, Brienne and the Hound, Brienne and Jamie. I enjoyed all of it, and seeing how messy and linked everyone really is, that it isn't just about two different sides and never has been. And just as they're walking, no massive shock and drama.
Seeing Sam with Bran again I liked, seeing that different side of Sam's personality which has been kind of lessened most of the season because of the work he was doing.
I was much less angry about Sansa getting the "the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives" line seeing that it's Arya she says it to. Pretty much totally okay with it actually now, whereas in the trailer it annoyed me.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 28, 2017 8:26:33 GMT -5
Viserion and his blue ice flame taking down the wall was heartbreaking- the holes in his wings. The Night King riding him was the perfect finish to that and the shot coming straight out of the screen was strong.
CleganeBowl felt powerful to me, with no need to say more. Setting up the Hound in that way, I liked. I also loved the back and forth between the Hound and Brienne. Brienne didn't have a lot in this episode, but I loved what she had.
Bronn is the only character I can think of who has genuinely just benefitted from the war- he has gone from basic sellsword to power, powerful friends and knighthood with the promise of wealth later. He has changed the least of all the characters I can think of.
Podrick is similar to Bronn in having changed for good without too much harm coming to him, to a lesser degree. I liked his brief dialogue with Tyrion and how he has done well with Brienne too.
Cersei I have just written off as Mad Queen so I am just waiting to see how far she will go.
Bran and Sam make a good team, so I want to see more of that in the future. Arya and Sansa as well. I hope Tormund survived the Wall coming down. To see Tormund as a white walker would break my heart, so it will probably happen, with him having to face his friends and fight them next season.
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Post by murph on Aug 28, 2017 8:46:03 GMT -5
It snowing in King's Landing was a scene I really liked too.
Also, Jamie, Brienne and Cersei literally being the GoT meme that's taken over the fandom was kind of hilarious.
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Post by zinc on Aug 28, 2017 9:27:29 GMT -5
I love Ned Stark and Ned referencing, but it's become a substitute for good writing. Theon and Jon talking should be about Robb. It's Robb he betrayed, but instead it's all about Jon and without subtlety. "You're a Greyjoy, and a Stark. You don't have to choose." is really "I'm a Targaryen, and a Stark" "Our father was more of a father to you than your father." is really "Ned wasn't my father but he was." Like okay, we get it. And this constant just saying "Ned Stark" is the answer to so many things about the Starks. There should be more talk of Robb. Arya and Sansa storylining continues to be about shock and is stupid as a result. The fact that there was no 'this is what was really happening and when' and instead was just 'yeah, at some point this somehow happened' shows again how badly it was done. There wasn't intelligence in that. Something I did appreciate was the comment about how Littlefinger turned Catelyn and Lysa against each other and was trying with Arya and Sansa. GoT is so about each generation being like the previous, so I liked that. That bothered me as well. They have so much story to draw upon but they stick to two points and somehow draw everything back to Ned or Tywin when it comes to Stark and Lannister inter-family conflict. Theon betrayed Robb rather significantly and that moment in S4 when Ramsay told Reek that Robb is dead had so much meaning to it without corny dialogue being exchanged between them. "Robb Stark was like a brother to you but my father put a knife through his heart. How do you feel about that?" His reaction told us all it needed to. Not some cliche fan-fiction level exchange of how "you betrayed him, betrayed his memory but you never lost him and he's a part of you and me." Like that's just embarrassing to write that and have it be the final script and final cut and have it make it to television. I liked the comparison of Littlefinger's interference with Sansa/Arya being paralleled to Catelyn/Lysa. The bar is set so low that I'm amazed they didn't overlook it. It was the best scene of the episode for me, but it's still a huge letdown compared to trials of the seasons past. Ned Stark's confession, Tyrion's trial in the vale, Tyrion's trial in S4. In scenes like those every piece of dialogue, every character reaction, the outcome, etc. had purpose and sense. This could have been so much more but considering the rest of the episode was just that much worse I don't have much issue with it. Just completely confused as to how so many people can enjoy this tripe. Then again the show went from 2 million to 10 million viewers and has unfortunately picked up some Barfyler quality and Dark Path idiotic theory level "fans" along the way and is now doing "fan" service.
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Post by murph on Aug 28, 2017 10:03:42 GMT -5
I love Ned Stark and Ned referencing, but it's become a substitute for good writing. Theon and Jon talking should be about Robb. It's Robb he betrayed, but instead it's all about Jon and without subtlety. "You're a Greyjoy, and a Stark. You don't have to choose." is really "I'm a Targaryen, and a Stark" "Our father was more of a father to you than your father." is really "Ned wasn't my father but he was." Like okay, we get it. And this constant just saying "Ned Stark" is the answer to so many things about the Starks. There should be more talk of Robb. Arya and Sansa storylining continues to be about shock and is stupid as a result. The fact that there was no 'this is what was really happening and when' and instead was just 'yeah, at some point this somehow happened' shows again how badly it was done. There wasn't intelligence in that. Something I did appreciate was the comment about how Littlefinger turned Catelyn and Lysa against each other and was trying with Arya and Sansa. GoT is so about each generation being like the previous, so I liked that. That bothered me as well. They have so much story to draw upon but they stick to two points and somehow draw everything back to Ned or Tywin when it comes to Stark and Lannister inter-family conflict. Theon betrayed Robb rather significantly and that moment in S4 when Ramsay told Reek that Robb is dead had so much meaning to it without corny dialogue being exchanged between them. "Robb Stark was like a brother to you but my father put a knife through his heart. How do you feel about that?" His reaction told us all it needed to. Not some cliche fan-fiction level exchange of how "you betrayed him, betrayed his memory but you never lost him and he's a part of you and me." Like that's just embarrassing to write that and have it be the final script and final cut and have it make it to television. I liked the comparison of Littlefinger's interference with Sansa/Arya being paralleled to Catelyn/Lysa. The bar is set so low that I'm amazed they didn't overlook it. It was the best scene of the episode for me, but it's still a huge letdown compared to trials of the seasons past. Ned Stark's confession, Tyrion's trial in the vale, Tyrion's trial in S4. In scenes like those every piece of dialogue, every character reaction, the outcome, etc. had purpose and sense. This could have been so much more but considering the rest of the episode was just that much worse I don't have much issue with it. Just completely confused as to how so many people can enjoy this tripe. Then again the show went from 2 million to 10 million viewers and has unfortunately picked up some Barfyler quality and Dark Path idiotic theory level "fans" along the way and is now doing "fan" service. Exactly. I really am all for the referencing of old characters, I love that shit, but I think the choices of this season - the omissions of people who should have been mentioned instead, ruined it, because it showed why it was happening and how lazy so much of it was. Everyone talking about Ned every second, but no mention of Arya from Jon or Gendry. Like we're talking about, Theon and Jon talk about what the Starks meant to Theon and yet no talk about Robb? It's just stupid. It wouldn't happen that way and so therefore is so obviously forced and is actually about "plot!" instead of something being told through these characters actions and feelings. I have enjoyed most of the episodes. Maybe even all of them. A lot of them have pissed me off and I think there's an obvious difference in quality and a lot of plot holes, but as something to watch, I think it still has been enjoyable. I don't have a want to rewatch the season, but I didn't hate the experience of watching any of them. I understand especially how casual fans can still think it's pretty great and I understand how some fandom got everything they wanted and have been waiting for this season. It depends who and what exactly you're invested in, I suppose. I've said this already but everyone coming together and the Night King and the Great War finally being here and frankly, the sets and the visuals are things that make up for a lot in how people feel after an episode. It's no longer the build up, and I guess there's some kind of logic in that you don't have to be as smart anymore cuz the actual unfolding of everything is enough for some people. I think there has been criticism this season, as it did in Season 5, so I hope they learn for that. And I also want GRRM to get involved again, because he makes a difference to the quality. There's been quite a lot of pissy fandom reaction too, so I don't think the flaws have gone unnoticed. The dialogue difference is a disappointment to me because it was always one of the real awesomeness of show. It was smart, and subtle. Kind of raw and authentic, and I think a lot of that is gone. Again, I feel like a lot of it is so obviously what they are trying to tell fans, instead of good character establishment with their personalities being the leading content, which I would say it used to be.
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Post by zinc on Aug 28, 2017 10:51:29 GMT -5
That bothered me as well. They have so much story to draw upon but they stick to two points and somehow draw everything back to Ned or Tywin when it comes to Stark and Lannister inter-family conflict. Theon betrayed Robb rather significantly and that moment in S4 when Ramsay told Reek that Robb is dead had so much meaning to it without corny dialogue being exchanged between them. "Robb Stark was like a brother to you but my father put a knife through his heart. How do you feel about that?" His reaction told us all it needed to. Not some cliche fan-fiction level exchange of how "you betrayed him, betrayed his memory but you never lost him and he's a part of you and me." Like that's just embarrassing to write that and have it be the final script and final cut and have it make it to television. I liked the comparison of Littlefinger's interference with Sansa/Arya being paralleled to Catelyn/Lysa. The bar is set so low that I'm amazed they didn't overlook it. It was the best scene of the episode for me, but it's still a huge letdown compared to trials of the seasons past. Ned Stark's confession, Tyrion's trial in the vale, Tyrion's trial in S4. In scenes like those every piece of dialogue, every character reaction, the outcome, etc. had purpose and sense. This could have been so much more but considering the rest of the episode was just that much worse I don't have much issue with it. Just completely confused as to how so many people can enjoy this tripe. Then again the show went from 2 million to 10 million viewers and has unfortunately picked up some Barfyler quality and Dark Path idiotic theory level "fans" along the way and is now doing "fan" service. Exactly. I really am all for the referencing of old characters, I love that shit, but I think the choices of this season - the omissions of people who should have been mentioned instead, ruined it, because it showed why it was happening and how lazy so much of it was. Everyone talking about Ned every second, but no mention of Arya from Jon or Gendry. Like we're talking about, Theon and Jon talk about what the Starks meant to Theon and yet no talk about Robb? It's just stupid. It wouldn't happen that way and so therefore is so obviously forced and is actually about "plot!" instead of something being told through these characters actions and feelings. I have enjoyed most of the episodes. Maybe even all of them. A lot of them have pissed me off and I think there's an obvious difference in quality and a lot of plot holes, but as something to watch, I think it still has been enjoyable. I don't have a want to rewatch the season, but I didn't hate the experience of watching any of them. I understand especially how casual fans can still think it's pretty great and I understand how some fandom got everything they wanted and have been waiting for this season. It depends who and what exactly you're invested in, I suppose. I've said this already but everyone coming together and the Night King and the Great War finally being here and frankly, the sets and the visuals are things that make up for a lot in how people feel after an episode. It's no longer the build up, and I guess there's some kind of logic in that you don't have to be as smart anymore cuz the actual unfolding of everything is enough for some people. I think the show has been criticism this season, as it did in Season 5, so I hope they learn for that. And I also want GRRM to get involved again, because he makes a difference to the quality. There's been quite a lot of pissy fandom reaction too, so I don't think the flaws have gone unnoticed. The dialogue difference is a disappointment to me because it was always one of the real awesomeness of show. It was smart, and subtle. Kind of raw and authentic, and I think a lot of that is gone. Again, I feel like a lot of it is so obviously what they are trying to tell fans, instead of good character establishment with their personalities being the leading content, which I would say it used to be. I have enjoyed watching all but the last episode but I know it's primarily the battles - the visuals - are what I enjoyed rather than the story. And the "build up" to these epic battles is precisely where one of the main problems with the show lies. It shouldn't feel that way, like some exhausting material to push through for a great visual reward in the end. I certainly never felt that way during the first 4 seasons. There was no "build up" to the battle of the Blackwater or the Red Wedding or the deaths of Joffrey, Ned and Tywin. Following the story was wonderful, re-watching to look for clues that I missed was exciting, and the character development was strong as it was character-driven rather than plot-driven. Now the characters are doing things as a means to an end, which is why they're positioned in ways that don't actually flow naturally from them, which is why a lot of their actions feel contrived and inauthentic. I agree. It's an important factor to me because poor dialogue pulls me right out of the scene. I don't need something pretentious, just something that's clever and matches the setting of the series and the character its coming from. Here the dialogue is written to communicate with the audience rather than the characters communicating amongst themselves, which is why it's so clunky and rarely feels like the audience is watching a conversation. I also find that we're being retold past interactions far too often like the audience (or rather the new viewers) aren't meant to have any recollection of them.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 28, 2017 12:13:55 GMT -5
Brienne and The Hound discussing Arya was the only mention- I;m still bothered by the lack of Arya between Gendry and Jon, and yes, I know that is petty of me.
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Post by murph on Aug 28, 2017 12:21:51 GMT -5
Exactly. I really am all for the referencing of old characters, I love that shit, but I think the choices of this season - the omissions of people who should have been mentioned instead, ruined it, because it showed why it was happening and how lazy so much of it was. Everyone talking about Ned every second, but no mention of Arya from Jon or Gendry. Like we're talking about, Theon and Jon talk about what the Starks meant to Theon and yet no talk about Robb? It's just stupid. It wouldn't happen that way and so therefore is so obviously forced and is actually about "plot!" instead of something being told through these characters actions and feelings. I have enjoyed most of the episodes. Maybe even all of them. A lot of them have pissed me off and I think there's an obvious difference in quality and a lot of plot holes, but as something to watch, I think it still has been enjoyable. I don't have a want to rewatch the season, but I didn't hate the experience of watching any of them. I understand especially how casual fans can still think it's pretty great and I understand how some fandom got everything they wanted and have been waiting for this season. It depends who and what exactly you're invested in, I suppose. I've said this already but everyone coming together and the Night King and the Great War finally being here and frankly, the sets and the visuals are things that make up for a lot in how people feel after an episode. It's no longer the build up, and I guess there's some kind of logic in that you don't have to be as smart anymore cuz the actual unfolding of everything is enough for some people. I think the show has been criticism this season, as it did in Season 5, so I hope they learn for that. And I also want GRRM to get involved again, because he makes a difference to the quality. There's been quite a lot of pissy fandom reaction too, so I don't think the flaws have gone unnoticed. The dialogue difference is a disappointment to me because it was always one of the real awesomeness of show. It was smart, and subtle. Kind of raw and authentic, and I think a lot of that is gone. Again, I feel like a lot of it is so obviously what they are trying to tell fans, instead of good character establishment with their personalities being the leading content, which I would say it used to be. I have enjoyed watching all but the last episode but I know it's primarily the battles - the visuals - are what I enjoyed rather than the story. And the "build up" to these epic battles is precisely where one of the main problems with the show lies. It shouldn't feel that way, like some exhausting material to push through for a great visual reward in the end. I certainly never felt that way during the first 4 seasons. There was no "build up" to the battle of the Blackwater or the Red Wedding or the deaths of Joffrey, Ned and Tywin. Following the story was wonderful, re-watching to look for clues that I missed was exciting, and the character development was strong as it was character-driven rather than plot-driven. Now the characters are doing things as a means to an end, which is why they're positioned in ways that don't actually flow naturally from them, which is why a lot of their actions feel contrived and inauthentic. I agree. It's an important factor to me because poor dialogue pulls me right out of the scene. I don't need something pretentious, just something that's clever and matches the setting of the series and the character its coming from. Here the dialogue is written to communicate with the audience rather than the characters communicating amongst themselves, which is why it's so clunky and rarely feels like the audience is watching a conversation. I also find that we're being retold past interactions far too often like the audience (or rather the new viewers) aren't meant to have any recollection of them. By build up I mean the characters as individuals and where they belong and the overall story (the Great War). Like, that's all kind of done now, we know exactly where everyone is going to be and what they're doing it for. We know the characters and have our opinions on them and we either like them or we don't and there's little mystery left. I think there's some thinking that that was the part where most of the effort would be because that's the establishment, and now it's just like well that character is getting to be awesome and I've liked that character so don't have to think about it too much. I think now that the war is actually happening, it's shifted the amount of effort D&D think they have to put in, which is a shame.
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Post by murph on Aug 28, 2017 12:28:28 GMT -5
Brienne and The Hound discussing Arya was the only mention- I;m still bothered by the lack of Arya between Gendry and Jon, and yes, I know that is petty of me. Not petty, smart! It is awful writing. The one real thing they have in common and they don't mention her. Jon vocalises he knows Arya is alive and we know he knows she was last seen with The Hound, yet doesn't say anything and instead his only association of The Hound is "I saw you in Winterfell". The Hound spending time with Jon yet not mentioning Arya once but an episode later shows he actually cares about her and what happened to her. It doesn't make sense. We see Arya be all about Jon, Sansa say Jon will care about seeing Arya more than the others and yet he doesn't mention her or show he wants to go back to Winterfell to see her. Actually, it's even worse than that because he does initially react like he needs to go home to see her and Bran, but then just forgets about them again. Bad writing. We're also right back to where the fuck is Gendry, after finally finding him again. My partner said it's a good job we actually saw him arrive back at Eastwatch otherwise he'd be left running for the off season, working on his legs like the rowing did for his arms.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 28, 2017 12:31:51 GMT -5
It just makes no sense given how close Jon and Arya are- that Jon is so meh and matter of fact about her being alive and at Winterfell. Her cunning kept Gendry alive so he has every reason, if he is bringing up Ned, to bring up Arya too, in building his relationship with Jon. To me, that is the biggest omission of the entire season 7.
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