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Post by merelei on Aug 14, 2017 19:50:52 GMT -5
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Post by Ripley on Aug 14, 2017 19:57:14 GMT -5
Yes, essentially most of TPTB are involved. This will likely help Frank Darabont with his suit. I expect to see ANC's stock prices dropping this week.
Interesting how often many of us have talked about these same folks having "checked out" of the show for a while now, moved on to some new creactive projects and mostly trotted out periodically for SDCC NYCC or for plot-specific interviews and Talking Dead appearances.
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Post by darkandstormy on Aug 14, 2017 22:17:50 GMT -5
This is very interesting indeed!
And here I was, thinking that the subdued atmosphere at SDCC was solely due to the death of the stuntman, when this was likely festering in the background.
Are Gimple and Nicotero involved in this lawsuit?
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Post by walkingdeadrules on Aug 15, 2017 8:18:45 GMT -5
AMC's response:
“These kinds of lawsuits are fairly common in entertainment and they all have one thing in common – they follow success… Virtually every studio that has had a successful show has been the target of litigation like this, and The Walking Dead has been the #1 show on television for five years in a row, so this is no surprise. We have enormous respect and appreciation for these plaintiffs, and we will continue to work with them as partners, even as we vigorously defend against this baseless and predictably opportunistic lawsuit.”
THis response will make them enthusiastic to work on TWD no doubt lol! NOT
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Post by murph on Aug 15, 2017 8:52:47 GMT -5
lol at AMC's response. I guess they're deliberately ignoring the part that the "success" they keep talking about is mostly down to the people suing them.
This seems like it's actually going to get pretty ugly.
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Post by Starlight on Aug 15, 2017 9:05:04 GMT -5
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Post by dark sister on Aug 15, 2017 9:20:05 GMT -5
I have nothing to add but:
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Post by weeds_or_wildflowers on Aug 15, 2017 11:51:48 GMT -5
This news made me very upset. Because this at any outcome will be bad for the show itself. I always hoped that TWD would end on a high note and with a normal adequate budget investment, but now this hope is floating in the sewer.
Sorry, i created a similar page in the "TWD general discussion". i didn't see that it already exists here. Delete it or act as you see fit
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Post by Ripley on Aug 15, 2017 12:48:07 GMT -5
No worries weeds_or_wildflowers , duplicates happen all the time and are no big deal! Gimple and Nicotero plus Denise Huth and Angela Kang are not named as plaintiffs darkandstormy . The others have been moving into other projects since season 4, films, other shows and FatWD, not an entity involved in the suit. Only Nicotero has a premium deal with AMC ( see Cast and Crew area for details of that back-end deal) -the others have pretty standard contracts for their roles, I'm told. Those key 4, Gimple et al, would likely kill the show. I think the show will be mostly ok, mostly because diehard fans won't care about internal politics IMO. I think AMC is in for a time of losing ad renewal rates from major advertisers, possibly see rates drop below the previous December 2016 bottom rate, lose revenue, see stock downgrades and will lose some future shows and a few viewers. Collaborations on shows like Mad Men or currently, Humans, might cost them future partnerships. They may restructure debt or try to bolster or offset stock price drops privately via the Dolan family to avoid looking like a sinking ship. Think about it though-if AMC deliberately keeps TWD's budget low ( low pay as basic cable salaries, cue CGI deer) AND has to pay out billions, welp , that shows (as we've all noted for years) that the network's model isn't sustainable long term without a stable full of TWDs re: ad rates and ratings- wise, are needed. Westworld saved HBO from being a one-show premium network, but none of AMC's other shows come close to TWD numbers even after the season 7 drop.
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Post by urdeadtome on Aug 15, 2017 12:58:50 GMT -5
This is very interesting indeed! And here I was, thinking that the subdued atmosphere at SDCC was solely due to the death of the stuntman, when this was likely festering in the background. Are Gimple and Nicotero involved in this lawsuit? That's exactly what I was thinking once I read this! And yes, I also wondered if Gimple (particularly since Glen Mazzara is involved and he took over for him?!) and Nicotero are involved as well? Not sure what all will come from this but it doesn't feel like it's going to be anything positive for the fans in the end? Hope it doesn't end up coming to a head with some type of production strike?! That would really suck! Guess we'll have to wait and see?
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Post by Ripley on Aug 15, 2017 14:27:16 GMT -5
The Hollywood Reporter- a related story abotu how the lawsuit affects AMC's abilities to land execs
"Insiders note that the new lawsuit from the show's producers — which may see AMC on the hook for an estimated $1 billion in potential damages — may be partially to blame for the delay in landing a top executive.
The latest Walking Dead profit participation lawsuit couldn't have come at a worse time for AMC. The cable network home to the biggest drama on television may be facing hurdles finding a new head of programming to replace Joel Stillerman, who departed in May to become chief content officer at Hulu.
Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that top candidates for the post Matt Cherniss (formerly of WGN America) and Katherine Pope (of Studio 8) have both passed on the position. Insiders note that the new lawsuit — which may see AMC on on the hook for an estimated $1 billion in potential damages — may be partially to blame for the delay in landing a top executive.
Walking Dead creator Robert Kirkman as well as exec producers Gale Anne Hurd, David Alpert and former showrunner Glen Mazzara filed a new lawsuit Aug. 14 against AMC, claiming they’ve been cheated out of millions for years. Frank Darabont launched the battle in 2013 when he sued, claiming the network was doing some creative accounting to make it look like TV's No. 1 drama among the advertiser-coveted adults 18-49 demographic, and was losing money in order to avoid paying back-end profits — and accusing AMC Network of paying AMC Studios a below market per episode license fee.
In the interim, sources say CAA — which reps Darabont, Kirkman and Mazzara — won't sell to AMC unless its clients insist, while AMC has responded that it will not pay package fees to the agency during litigation.
In the meantime, Kirkman — who had been under an overall deal with AMC Studios — jumped ship Aug. 11 for a lucrative two-year pact with Amazon Studios.
"We have enormous respect and appreciation for these plaintiffs, and we will continue to work with them as partners, even as we vigorously defend against this baseless and predictably opportunistic lawsuit," an AMC spokesperson said in response to the new Walking Dead lawsuit."
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