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Post by dark sister on Jul 31, 2017 22:35:58 GMT -5
This is the thread for episode 4. We're already half way through the new season.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 1, 2017 10:18:54 GMT -5
THR GoT podcasts are usually good "In the latest episode of its Game of Thrones podcast, Post Show Recaps hosts Rob Cesternino (of Rob Has a Podcast and Survivor fame) and THR's resident Game of Thrones reporter Josh Wigler (that's me!) discuss the possibility that Jon may never learn that he's a Targaryen — and if he does find out the truth, he might not even care. Other topics from their conversation about "The Queen's Justice" include: • Did Jon and Dany's first meeting live up to the hype? • The future for Tyrion Lannister, following two separate strategic blunders • What Melisandre's deadly prophecy means for three different characters • How Arya Stark's impending arrival at Winterfell will play out next week • Takeaways from THR's conversation with Jacob Anderson (Grey Worm) • And more! Listen to the episode in the player below:..." link
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Post by Ripley on Aug 4, 2017 10:16:34 GMT -5
This episode has been linked online, supposedly via reddit dark sister, but that was not part of the big HBO hack. Variety "...Links to the fourth episode of “Game of Thrones” season 7, set to be aired and streamed Aug. 6 by HBO, appeared on a discussion board on Reddit, the Verge reported Friday. The pirated copy of the episode was available via Google Drive, according to the report. But the leak came from pay-TV distribution partner Star India, whose logo appears as a watermark in the pirated copy with the text “for internal viewing only,” the Verge reported...." " link
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Post by dark sister on Aug 4, 2017 16:02:06 GMT -5
Saw that. It's all over reddit. I'm going to wait to watch in good quality lol.
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Post by zinc on Aug 4, 2017 16:47:00 GMT -5
Saw that. It's all over reddit. I'm going to wait to watch in good quality lol. (Someone I know) is downloading it. Waiting is not their forte
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Post by zinc on Aug 4, 2017 16:54:58 GMT -5
"I always considered your father a very effective and efficient man but you appear to be redefining those terms entirely."
#GOALS
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Post by zinc on Aug 4, 2017 17:31:10 GMT -5
OMG I'M SHAKING
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Post by zinc on Aug 4, 2017 17:32:15 GMT -5
NOOOO OMFGGGGGG
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Post by zinc on Aug 4, 2017 17:36:43 GMT -5
COME ON MY LANNISTER ARMY BABIES. KILL THESE DOTHRAKI DOGS.
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Post by zinc on Aug 4, 2017 17:40:20 GMT -5
OH MY FUCKING GOD
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Post by zinc on Aug 4, 2017 17:42:19 GMT -5
omg my heart almost stopped at the end.
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Post by zinc on Aug 4, 2017 17:50:02 GMT -5
hahahahahahahahahahahaha someone made this (remove Dragon) It's a reference to this
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Post by urdeadtome on Aug 6, 2017 21:03:30 GMT -5
All I can say is..HOLY FUCKING SHIT!! That was a seriously intense episode! I'm so stressed right now!!
To add my "rating", if that was not perfect, it's about as close to a 10 as it can get for me (so far)! I thought it was an amazing episode overall. If it were to lose any fraction of a point, it would be due to the sad and lacking goodbye between Bran and Meera. She deserved a hell of a lot more than the blank and void of emotion "thank you" that she got after losing her brother and then dragging his three eyed ass all the way to Castle Black and then Winterfell after losing Hodor! It was just really disappointing and I felt horrible for her. "Zen Bran" is getting on my nerves!
So that and the excessive and disturbing "equine abuse" that occcured during this episode! WHY?! Why do they do such terrible things to the horses these days?! I used to ride for years and love horses so much (I honestly love animals more than people most of the time!) It was so hard to watch, it was like seeing "The Revenant" again! I have to close my eyes and put my fingers in my ears like a kid because that kind of stuff just hurts my heart? It may sound bad but I would much rather see a person on a show or movie get a limb lopped off any day than a horse!
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Post by dark sister on Aug 6, 2017 21:07:26 GMT -5
I'll add the poll! I give it a 9, I wish it had been longer. Only two things really made it not perfect for me. LIKES ARYA IS HOME! My girl standing in front of Ned's statue and talking about how someone didn't know his face. Bran, Arya, and Sansa in the same frame again! Bran creeping out LF with "chaos is a ladder" Brienne and Arya sparring. I was afraid that was going to be fan service-y but I about slid off my chair. The entire battle was beautifully shot. I loved the focus on Jaime and Bronn and Tyrion seeing his brother. NuDickon getting a bit of development was nice too. DISLIKES Bran and Meera departing. I know I sound like a broken record but I think Bran should be allowed to emote with family and Meera is his family too. That scene hurt, they deserved a better goodbye. Being beat over the head with Jonerys parallels. omg. I'm glad you shippers love them, but damn. It's so blatant.
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Post by merelei on Aug 6, 2017 21:15:30 GMT -5
I had so much fun with this episode, I was SINGING.
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Post by zinc on Aug 6, 2017 21:20:52 GMT -5
RANT upcoming. IDK why people are so butthurt about Lannister fans defending the Lannister army. I mean those Dothraki dogs (that got burned alive by being shut in a goddamn room) were on horseback, while the majority of the Lannister army were on their feet. And on TOP of that, they had a dragon burn through the line and burn the shit out of most of them. So it takes bravery to not flee given the circumstances. They had to listen to shrills of their fellow soldiers dying by fire, which is one of the most traumatizing, haunting things. So even though they got demolished, I'm Team Lannister all the way.
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Post by dark sister on Aug 6, 2017 21:41:24 GMT -5
This battle reminded me a lot of Blackwater in the sense that I felt for both sides. I was absolutely on the Lannister army's side during the battle, but at the same time I didn't want Drogon to be shot down.
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Post by dark sister on Aug 6, 2017 22:16:37 GMT -5
Inside the Episode
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Post by Ripley on Aug 7, 2017 4:53:47 GMT -5
This battle reminded me a lot of Blackwater in the sense that I felt for both sides. I was absolutely on the Lannister army's side during the battle, but at the same time I didn't want Drogon to be shot down. Going back and forth during the battle was so tense because as you say, viewers felt for both sides. I cheered on Bronn getting the scorpion going but also dreaded Drogon and Dany being hit. The sheer firepower of Drogon was incredible and yet his ability to be wounded or killed terrifying.
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Post by walkingdeadrules on Aug 7, 2017 4:56:18 GMT -5
I had to give it a 10. There were things that were not perfect about it to be sure, but I thought how they moved the story forward and especially that entire last scene was just fantastic.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 7, 2017 5:17:47 GMT -5
I loved this episode for the most part and rated this one a 9. Season 7 has been a solid win episode after episode IMO and I'm glad ratings are climbing for HBO. I am not at all a Jonerys shipper but loved the scene in the cave where the children of the forest had left instructions and weapons tech for the war against the Night King and white walkers. It made me think of the caves at Lascaux which B & B said afterward was the intent. If JOnerys hooks up, I'm going to be queasy and I wasn't keen on that bit about them being attracted to one another. *shudders. The cave portion was still powerful although Dany's rigid "bend the knee!" whining reminded me she is used to issuing orders, not thinking strategically around working with other powerful rulers/allies to achieve her goals. She, like Sansa still has lessons to learn about ruling- it's not about constant demands or orders, it is about getting the support from allies at a cost those allies find bearable most of the time. If Daenerys wins the Iron Throne, her advisors will have to constantly talk her off the rigid point of view which is tiring. I hope Jorah returns soon because he had a great knack for softening Dany's rigidity and making her see the benefits of being more flexible overall IMO. Arya is back at Winterfell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I loved the image of her getting the view of Winterfell ahead. Her asking for Roderick and the maester brought back a brief pang since I had not thought of those two brave men in a few seasons. Her hug for Bran was sweet, the tension with Sansa sad but realistic. I loved how Sansa knew exactly where to find Arya. Their conversation was oddly cold to me, but again that goes to their old tensions as children and how both have changed due to all experienced since they were last together. Arya getting the dagger finally solved the mystery we have all been waiting for as I look forward to her using it and soon. Watching her with Brienne as Sansa and Littlefinger watched her was chilling. Bran and Meera's scene was sad because she was his family for so many years and paid for that with her brother's life and the lives of all who were with them at Winterfell. Meera deserved better than Bran's indifferences or lack of emotions as he is drawn in more to being the Raven IMO. The battle was fantastic as I noted above- I don't want to see Drogon die and wonder if the other two dragons will be sacrificed this year or next.
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Post by murph on Aug 7, 2017 8:00:38 GMT -5
Awesome episode.
I really love seeing Jamie in battle. As I said last week, he'd been a bit unimpressive early this season by just pretty much looking all upset next to Cersei. Seeing him in the field and being good at it is always where he shines.
I was definitely Team Lannister in the battle. It's hard not to be when Dany is happily having hordes of people burned alive; having that be what she's thriving upon, and destroying food that the people she claims she wants to rule for need. I'm a bit frustrated that they keep pushing Dany going mad Targaryen when I seriously doubt she'll ever go all the way and she'll just be forgiven and saved by love or something. I get she's pissed, but she just shows herself as a child all the time as far as I'm concerned. Stomping her foot for her own damn way, often with a tantrum that other people suffer for.
All Winterfell scenes. All of them. The parallel of Arya at the gates like she was in Kings Landing, proclaiming her identity.
Arya and Brienne, yes. And finally! A mention that suggests Jon favours Arya and actually cares about her.
I am missing the Starks being wargs.
I was pretty sure there was a mention of Sam from Jon about the cave sketches in the leaked script and I wish it hadn't been cut. Especially with the Tarly's being in the battle and on the other side.
Although he wasn't in many scenes this episode and had even less lines, I really liked Tyrion's perspective this episode. The back and forth between him and Jamie was great.
I'm a little bit concerned Davos is going to become the comedy relief. So far I don't feel that way and I pretty much love all his scenes, he's the most human aspect in a lot of ways for me, but I'm just worried it's what he's going to be reduced to. His 'fewer' correction did make me smile.
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Post by zinc on Aug 7, 2017 8:14:39 GMT -5
I see many say that this season could potentially be regarded as the best and while I find that there are many memorable moments, epic battles and that the story is progressing at a good pace, I've noticed the clunky dialogue and contrived conveniences, which have been the biggest negative aspect of this season. People complained of this since S5 and I don't know if I simply wasn't paying attention earlier on, but I had never noticed this from S1-S4. I wonder how much of the good stuff is GRRM and how much of the bad stuff is D&D because the majority of the alterations made in the earlier seasons by D&D were complete misses, save for things like Arya/Tywin. I can't wait to re-watch the entire series at the end of it all, and 10 years, 20 years, 40 years from now, and I have a strong feeling that during those re-watches I'll be taken in by all of the story in seasons 1-4 as I was during the initial viewing, but primarily pay attention to the epic battle or other special scenes in 5-8. I feel this way about this episode, especially. My commentary "live viewing" of the leak was almost exclusively on the battle scene. Even when I looked at what others were saying on social media, I just skipped to mentions of the battle. That says a lot to me about the quality of the overall episode. Still gave it a 9, though.
The Stark children reunion was a let down that I couldn't bring myself to even talk about it because I had such high expectations after the emotionally charged Sansa/Jon reunion last season. Even if it didn't necessarily have to be that way because of whatever they're doing with Bran, you'd assume it would be a lot less awkward than that. The Stark moments have been the most heartbreaking throughout the series and have stuck with me (Sansa and Arya's reaction to Ned being beheaded, Arya on the night of the Red Wedding when she almost would have reunited with Robb and Catelyn, what Sansa said to Tyrion after she found out her mother and brother were dead, Bran and Rickon's reaction to Ser Rodrik's beheading and Maester Luwin dying, etc) so I was looking forward to these reunions and only got emotional over Sansa and Jon, which the show pretty much ruined for me later on as well. They put more into Jon seeing Theon for the first time despite already knowing what he did for Sansa and that he didn't kill the Stark boys.
So now I'm hoping there will be at least something that highlights the complexity of the interaction between Jaime, Tyrion and Dany rather than some poor dialogue. I'm hoping next episode will be more along the lines of what I enjoyed in the first 4 seasons because while I do like the battles, this show has always been at a higher level quality wise than other shows that rely on plot convenience, boring dialogue to over-explain simple plot points and character inconsistencies.
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Post by murph on Aug 7, 2017 9:24:59 GMT -5
zinc , I actually liked the Stark reunions this episode because they actually felt right to me. And I liked that it was more subtle and in-keeping with Arya just sitting there and basically breathing home again and the three of them just walking quietly through the courtyard. Arya and Sansa have never been friendly; they've never had that relationship and they had changed, so for me I really enjoyed their casualness about it, their affirming that they're alive and that that childish conflict was gone because they've grown up and gone through what they have, but are also not pretending they're something they've never been. That's potentially the first time they've ever hugged and I actually appreciated that they did. And with Bran, it's obviously supposed to have that disconnection but I really liked that Arya was the one in the middle, that she's the one who gets Bran in this state more than Sansa does, but that both Sansa and Arya are actually bonding over their opinion about Bran. I like that it's complicated. The Sansa and Jon reunion was way too much for me. They have the least meaningful relationship out of every Stark sibling combination. So for me...it was just too much. But the show pushes Sansa to be more than she was ever intended to be in book form. I take that Jon and Sansa reunion to be more about the representation of Stark family, than actually about Jon and Sansa. They were the first of their family that they had seen in so long when they thought everyone else was dead (and Arya and Sansa continuing that theme in the crypt) and Sansa was scared in a way she's not now she's in Winterfell and now feels she has more control, so it should be different, I think. It shouldn't be as vulnerable, from any of those three. Briefly on the opinion that this is the best season - I think it finally all coming together, the reunions and the groups meeting makes up for a lot of anything else that it lacking. And I think it makes the overall impression. I think it's a lot of easy feel-good going on that has people forgiving things like poorer dialogue.
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Post by MorganBGone on Aug 7, 2017 10:03:39 GMT -5
I was 100% team Bronn during the battle and ended up rooting for Dickon, as well. It's nice that Sam's brother is bearable despite the influence of daddy Tarly. I'm not a Jaime fan but was semi-happy he was saved both because Tyrion was looking on and because I didn't want Dany to score a big win in that moment, which brings me to...
I hoped Danaerys, whose "leadership" (and associated petulance) I've never been a fan of, would only use the dragon to break the line ONCE when she swooped in. Seeing her turn more and more people to crispy critters as the battle went on, especially after Tyrion had specifically pointed out just how bad an idea it was to win by burning people to death, just reinforced for me how much I don't think she should come out of all of this a big winner. She showed a lot of concern for her dragon and NONE for the many human lives she was wiping out in an agonizingly painful way. She was indeed being a dragon... And in the process looking remarkably inhumane (not to mention more than a little blind to the potential consequences of her actions). I thought the scene with Arya, Ed Sheeran, et al in ep 1 was a lesson for Arya regarding her "enemy", but it could just as well have been for the audience in advance of seeing those " Lannister" army lives wiped out by Danaerys. We know those weren't, in many case, die hard Lannister supporters. Did they deserve to die, especially the way they did? Dany was definitely not portrayed sympathetically in her approach, though I agree that, along with some of her other cruel gestures and past failures, could well just be swept aside. Parallel/equal to Jon, after all (if one ignores the devaluing of human life and overall whiny childishness, which isn't really the same as omnipresent brooding, however annoying both might become).
I enjoyed the Sansa/Arya reunion but really disliked the Arya/Brienne scene. I'm not sure why the writers felt the need to have Arya own Brienne repeatedly in a fight. To show that the former *could* beat the Hound? That she posed a real threat to Little Finger? Was there no way to do that that didn't make Brienne look bad? Because the sequence made her look slow, both mentally and physically.
Bran continues to disappoint, serving as the wet blanket of the Stark reunion.
Oh, and Cersei's not getting her gold and thus the support of the Iron Bank. Woohoo! (I'm still waiting with marked impatience for her death, but I'll take other defeats in the interim. Rooting for members of the Lannister army does not equate with cheering for Cersei.)
I have the ep a 9 because it was the best of the season so far, though it wasn't perfect by any means. It had solid action, and the only time I checked out completely was during the cave scene (because Jonerys = a chemistry/interest vacuum, try as the show might to make it seem otherwise with the obvious background music). Also, Cersei and Dany both, IMO, came out losers in different ways, in keeping with their individual weaknesses, and I will always give points for that.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 7, 2017 10:13:25 GMT -5
Interesting parallel brought up by the Dany -John scenes in cave: what she says to him echoes what he himself says to Nance. "...It’s not about pride. In the words of Davos (Liam Cunningham), Jon Snow is a “damn bastard.” Pride isn’t remotely what our dude is thinking about. This is about representing his northern people, not betraying their trust, and standing up (not kneeling) for what he believes in. It’s not an easy decision either way. Redditor xIdkTbhx explains: Seeing Jon realize that the position he is in, is just like the position Mance was in, exhibits the development of Jon’s character so well. In fact, Jon seems to be taking more than a few notes from the Mance Rayder playbook. Snow got the Wildlings and the North to fight together, he’s close to getting Dany’s support as well, and he’s doing it all by following Mance’s example: just keeping it real about everyone’s imminent demise. ..." link
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Post by Ripley on Aug 7, 2017 11:13:11 GMT -5
zinc , I actually liked the Stark reunions this episode because they actually felt right to me. And I liked that it was more subtle and in-keeping with Arya just sitting there and basically breathing home again and the three of them just walking quietly through the courtyard. Arya and Sansa have never been friendly; they've never had that relationship and they had changed, so for me I really enjoyed their casualness about it, their affirming that they're alive and that that childish conflict was gone because they've grown up and gone through what they have, but are also not pretending they're something they've never been. That's potentially the first time they've ever hugged and I actually appreciated that they did. And with Bran, it's obviously supposed to have that disconnection but I really liked that Arya was the one in the middle, that she's the one who gets Bran in this state more than Sansa does, but that both Sansa and Arya are actually bonding over their opinion about Bran. I like that it's complicated. The Sansa and Jon reunion was way too much for me. They have the least meaningful relationship out of every Stark sibling combination. So for me...it was just too much. But the show pushes Sansa to be more than she was ever intended to be in book form. I take that Jon and Sansa reunion to be more about the representation of Stark family, than actually about Jon and Sansa. They were the first of their family that they had seen in so long when they thought everyone else was dead (and Arya and Sansa continuing that theme in the crypt) and Sansa was scared in a way she's not now she's in Winterfell and now feels she has more control, so it should be different, I think. It shouldn't be as vulnerable, from any of those three. Briefly on the opinion that this is the best season - I think it finally all coming together, the reunions and the groups meeting makes up for a lot of anything else that it lacking. And I think it makes the overall impression. I think it's a lot of easy feel-good going on that has people forgiving things like poorer dialogue. murph, I love the way you worded that about Arya just breathing in the home of Winterfell. because far more than just he rphysical home, it is also all her emotions over the past 7 seasons, the family she has lost, the ways in which Life has changed her forever from that happy, innocent girl who loved being a tomboy and water-dancing. The mother she lost, by minutes at The Red Wedding after all of her efforts to get there, plus the beloved father she saw executed in front of her. So she earned that time, that scene and that moment, all the moments. it was played well and I like she is wise enough to not feel instantly that everything would be OK now that she was home with family. Her hugging of Bran I liked as well, because Arya gets emotions and did before, even when she teased Bran and tried to toughen him up for the life ahead of him. That she broke his boundaries and hugged was a great way of displaying that Arya still has feelings beyond cold calculation, murderous intent and being dangerous. Sansa was always far too caught up and self-focused on playing the role of "a lady" in the eyes others, so having both women keep that bit of their original personalities still was a lovely balance to the changes both have endured. I still look forward to Arya and Jon meeting- I think she will be strangely valuable to him as an advisor, strengthening him ways Sansa cannot because her experiences were so different. Arya's ability to change faces will also carry huge value to Jon, infiltrating the enemy and working as a spy or assassin if necessary. [part of me can't believe I just wrote that ] As much as I am enjoying the season, it is because I am getting the payoff of events, like Arya returning home, for which I have waited for years. The dialogue is poorer this year and some of the writing clumsy or less powerful than I expect from GoT. That said, I agree most fans and viewers will be savoring the payoffs more than being critical- I include myself in that group. I always appreciate your thoughts on an episode with your laser perceptions and points.
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Post by murph on Aug 7, 2017 13:15:03 GMT -5
Ripley I hope any Jon and Arya stuff is good, but I'm extremely cautious about expecting anything just because it's now long-felt like they've actually made a point to dismiss that relationship verses the book. The bit about Jon wanting to arm the girls and his entire relationship with Lyanna; every interaction they've had - I can't tell if it's been to the effect of later bringing in the Jon and Arya relationship, or if it's actually to replace it. The obvious set up of 'Arya finds out about Jon!...no wait, he's gone' and Sansa's mention of his reaction to seeing Arya to me would suggest there will be something there and there is a set up, but I'm still very iffy on what they'll do. It's one of the many things they have completely taken from Arya on the show so I'm just bitter about it lol. I really like Arya in Winterfell so far because I like the emotion of her like you say, but I also am not convinced she's quite there yet. My partner made a comment that she was faceless playing Arya Stark and I thought that was interesting. She's definitely feeling the place but I think she's too calm, like there's still a wall there. Arya's always been emotional and she's naturally very genuine and I think right now she is too quiet, in numerous ways. I always really liked the difference of her reaction to when she heard about Jon, and that changed everything for her, but then hearing that Sansa was also there - there wasn't that same reaction. It was much calmer. And her enjoyment with Brienne. It's not Arya so excited about a female knight, it's Arya calmly approaching and knowing what she's doing and wants to do and executing it. So if seeing Jon, or Gendry ends up changing any of that, I'm curious about. Maybe it's just supposed to be her grown up (though I hope it's not just that, cuz I'd prefer more exploration of her identity and her coming back home and finding herself again there) I want to see her react to Brienne's sword, quite frankly. She mentioned the Valyrian steel of the dagger twice, so how can she not notice Brienne's half of Ice's blade. And I'd like a reaction. Something not controlled. And yeah for me there's just a very enjoyable theme about this season? It's maybe not as precise in its execution, and it's a bit cheesier, but there's a lot that's just like go team go and things that like you say, viewers have waited for for so long that it's just...yeah, enjoyable is what I keep thinking.
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Post by sonia on Aug 7, 2017 18:33:03 GMT -5
The making of the loot train attack
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Post by dark sister on Aug 7, 2017 19:21:15 GMT -5
MorganBGone I really liked Brienne and Arya sparring because I think it played to both their strengths. I don't think Arya owned her, as we saw with one kick Brienne would ve knocked her down and won that fight. It was nice to see two ladies just fighting. I'm still really bothered by where they're going with Bran. Because he's one of my favorites I get protective. I get why he's this way but his scene with Meera was still 100% wrong. Especially after you see him have a hint of emotion hugging Arya. I actually can't stand Jonerys. I know they've been paralleled since the beginning but I've never been someone that was going to jump on the incest ship. The actors have zero chemistry too, imo so that's not helping. Still, I have plenty GoT friends who are big shippers of them, so I'm happy they're getting what they want.
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