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Post by murph on Jul 28, 2017 9:56:47 GMT -5
WhatCulture have done a '10 Worst Casting Mistakes' video. "They can’t all be as good as Melissa McBride". It includes a lot of fringe/extras character creations and is not limited to main character actors' performances.
10: Overzealous Shadowboxing Woodbury Extra 9: Chandler Riggs as Carl Crimes 8: Travis Love as Shumpert 7: Multiple Babies as Judith Grimes 6: Liz E. Morgan as Tina 5: Christine Woods as Officer Dawn Lerner 4: Major Dodson as Sam Anderson 3: Cherie Dvorak as Donna 2: Alanna Masterson as Tara Chambler 1: Emily Kinney as Beth Greene
What do others think? Anybody you'd add to the list, or remove? I personally agree with EK as the worst, but feel a bit bad for AM being on there.
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Jul 28, 2017 12:00:45 GMT -5
JDM as Negan (and I liked him in other roles)
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Post by darkandstormy on Jul 28, 2017 12:08:14 GMT -5
Imo Major Dodson was a better actor than Chandler Riggs. He played a very convincing disturbed child. Also I think AM is a better actress than Christian Serratos, who definitely deserved to be on that list!
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Post by zinc on Jul 28, 2017 16:14:58 GMT -5
JDM as Negan (and I liked him in other roles) Fucking CRINGE. I don't think he got the memo that this isn't supposed to be a cartoon. Well, how could you blame him with those CGI deers and tigers. But let's not take some focus off of the Beth/EK hate here
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Post by Rosie on Jul 28, 2017 17:44:23 GMT -5
JDM as Negan (and I liked him in other roles) Fucking CRINGE. I don't think he got the memo that this isn't supposed to be a cartoon. Well, how could you blame him with those CGI deers and tigers. But let's not take some focus off of the Beth/EK hate here Actually "That widow is alive, guns a-blazin'!" made me laugh in a good way. Probably I should put this in Unpopular Opinions - I kinda like JDM's larger than life portrayal of Negan.
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Post by Rosie on Jul 28, 2017 17:54:50 GMT -5
AM does NOT belong on this list IMO - neither does CR.
Christine Woods did what she could with her role.
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Post by booksrbetter on Jul 28, 2017 19:31:31 GMT -5
I have loved all the Judiths so I don't agree with their being put on the Loser list. I admit that I have no real expertise in rating actors but basically I do have an opinion. IMO MMB, Al, SWC. LJ, LH, JB, and NR were all really good at their roles. Second season Scott Wilson was amazing as Hershel. Steven Yeun and Cohan were good enough to carry their storyline. Quality actors are worth their money. Not all the actors on this show are underpaid. Emily Kinney was terrible and never got better. Chandler Riggs had a sort of earnest charm that sadly he has lost the last few years. So I agree with the video. I can't tell if Alanna Masterson is that bad or that she is the victim of the terrible writing and bad directors. I did think her reaction of the death of Denise was very blah but then again I never really "got" that relationship. Again with the bad writing. I also never got Sasha/Abe, Sasha/Bob, Carol/Tobin. I thought Major Dodson was good in his scenes with MMB. So I don't agree with the video.
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Post by dark sister on Jul 29, 2017 7:58:41 GMT -5
I'd take AM and CR off this personally. (CR was really bad but he's gotten better) I'd add JDM and the woman who played Patricia.
I definitely agree with EK being #1, she was horrid.
I'm happy for the inclusion of Overzealous Shadowboxing Woodbury Extra because that threw me out of the moment so badly. I actually rewound the TV
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Jul 29, 2017 10:25:04 GMT -5
CR has improved and the Judith babies are great.
EK is bad. Her good moments were an accident IMO.
I think CS is not a good actress, but her character is so ridiculous it's hard to say. The reworking on the show didn't make it better.
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Post by sonia on Jul 29, 2017 10:29:06 GMT -5
I agree about Emily Kinney, but not so much because of her sub par acting, because that wouldn't have been so bad if they had not given her a departure storyline and just kept her in the background where she was as a glorified red shirt. My biggest problem was them casting a woman who was in her mid-twenties (at the time when she was cast), to play a 16-17 year old girl. Not only her real age was starting to show during her last season (she was then 30), but if they had hired an actual teenager to play a teenager, we wouldn't have had to deal with the sick Barf shit that brought so much chaos and ridicule to this fandom. So many great people left because of that. The fandom has never been the same since.
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Post by sonia on Jul 29, 2017 10:32:07 GMT -5
Who the hell is Tina? I don't agree about Christine Woods and Alanna Masterson. Woods was one of those numerous talented actors who TPTB failed to fully used, choosing instead to kill them too quickly.
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Post by weeds_or_wildflowers on Jul 29, 2017 11:40:21 GMT -5
I don't agree at all with Major Dodson, Christine Woods and "all Judiths" - they play their roles how they could or how it was written. I believe to their characters. AM and CR for me not bad as it was said about them. I find out Carl in early seasons what kind of child should be. As CR gow up, he don't play better, but it as for child he did it OK. Same with Alanna - she was better in 4-5 seasons for me. How baby Judith was turned to this list? Why then did not include the Buttons or Shiva ? Grown Judith seems plays better than CR and EK together Maybe reason is bad writing for many actors as someone says. For example - i know NR can do it better, but he's very bright victim of bad writing - i like moments with Daryl only in caryl or rickyl scenes. As majority said , also think CS is not good actress, and JDM as Negan is victim of ba writing too IMO. I saw him in other films and liked how he played it. Unpopular thought, but LC is also is not good as everyone said, maybe she a little better than CS or AM. Also i'd include in list Jason Douglas. And its not because of Carol and bad writing. Just review 7x08 when he stays behind Rosita, at all scene he had one ekface AND I AGREE WITH #1!
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Post by murph on Jul 30, 2017 10:07:04 GMT -5
For JDM, there definitely is something missing for me. Or way, way too much of something. True that a lot of it is down to writing, but I think Negan was always going to be that kind of ridiculous, too much, character. I think he was always going to be the most comic-like character on screen. And I don't think JDM is pulling it off. There's a complete lack of transition and adjustment to screen for me. I've had a couple of moments where I think yeah, maybe, but mostly it's just bad for me. It is possible to play a good cartoony, camp, dramatic, volatile, self-involved, monologue and one-liner loving murdering sociopath who likes to humiliate people, stalk, invade people's spaces and laugh at his own jokes and is a total dick. One who is comedic and also scary as fuck. Who is the villain but is still really rooted for by the audience. And who still sells something more than the one mode. he even has a better lean! This is what I always come back to regarding Negan on screen. Always. This is the comparison for me. This is the presence I want from Negan, and I don't see it. JDM isn't gritty enough. There isn't enough substance. And the other part of the equation is that Negan isn't written with much else going on with his character. He just has the one mode of comedic villain, and without anything else, it is just way too much. There isn't anything else in that character. For example, verses: There is nothing like that with Negan, there is nothing else other than the creepy and over the top. And that is mostly on the writing, and I wonder if maybe it's been done deliberately. He's only been in one full season, of presumably many seasons that he will be in. So maybe they don't want anything else to him yet, maybe anything else is supposed to come later to make you think oh, didn't see that coming or to keep us interested or something and redeem him. And if so, I get that logic, but Negan is on screen way too much for that. There needs to be something else now. He has to care about something, anything. There has to be some other motivation other than just humiliation of people. He has to connect with someone, somehow. And given the writing on the show typically keeps things back from actors to the detriment of characters long-term, I'm not convinced it is a well-laid out, long-term plan. I don't think they're pushing for much more other than exactly what he's been on screen as so far. And so much of it is completely interchangeable, any one of his villain moments could be swapped out for another. But he doesn't look strong to me. He looks insanely weak, and like he knows it and puts so much damn effort into playing the creepy murderer in charge to try and hide it. And he looks dumb, and like he acts the way he does because he can't think of much else to do in lawless world. That's all I see, and that shouldn't be Negan. I liked the Negan and Sasha scenes, I thought that could maybe be the start of something just else with him, but it's not enough. I'm hoping this season will bring something else. The trailer so far hasn't given me much hope for that. But I don't think it's just the writing. I haven't seen anything to suggest there's anything beneath the monologue's from JDM. So in terms of 'a casting mistake' as this video defines it - where it isn't just about performance of an actor but is about the entire combination of how they are written, the role and what that actor does with it, I think JDM as Negan should definitely be on that list.
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Post by cunningstunt on Aug 5, 2017 1:08:59 GMT -5
For JDM, there definitely is something missing for me. Or way, way too much of something. True that a lot of it is down to writing, but I think Negan was always going to be that kind of ridiculous, too much, character. I think he was always going to be the most comic-like character on screen. And I don't think JDM is pulling it off. There's a complete lack of transition and adjustment to screen for me. I've had a couple of moments where I think yeah, maybe, but mostly it's just bad for me. It is possible to play a good cartoony, camp, dramatic, volatile, self-involved, monologue and one-liner loving murdering sociopath who likes to humiliate people, stalk, invade people's spaces and laugh at his own jokes and is a total dick. One who is comedic and also scary as fuck. Who is the villain but is still really rooted for by the audience. And who still sells something more than the one mode. he even has a better lean! This is what I always come back to regarding Negan on screen. Always. This is the comparison for me. This is the presence I want from Negan, and I don't see it. JDM isn't gritty enough. There isn't enough substance. And the other part of the equation is that Negan isn't written with much else going on with his character. He just has the one mode of comedic villain, and without anything else, it is just way too much. There isn't anything else in that character. For example, verses: There is nothing like that with Negan, there is nothing else other than the creepy and over the top. And that is mostly on the writing, and I wonder if maybe it's been done deliberately. He's only been in one full season, of presumably many seasons that he will be in. So maybe they don't want anything else to him yet, maybe anything else is supposed to come later to make you think oh, didn't see that coming or to keep us interested or something and redeem him. And if so, I get that logic, but Negan is on screen way too much for that. There needs to be something else now. He has to care about something, anything. There has to be some other motivation other than just humiliation of people. He has to connect with someone, somehow. And given the writing on the show typically keeps things back from actors to the detriment of characters long-term, I'm not convinced it is a well-laid out, long-term plan. I don't think they're pushing for much more other than exactly what he's been on screen as so far. And so much of it is completely interchangeable, any one of his villain moments could be swapped out for another. But he doesn't look strong to me. He looks insanely weak, and like he knows it and puts so much damn effort into playing the creepy murderer in charge to try and hide it. And he looks dumb, and like he acts the way he does because he can't think of much else to do in lawless world. That's all I see, and that shouldn't be Negan. I liked the Negan and Sasha scenes, I thought that could maybe be the start of something just else with him, but it's not enough. I'm hoping this season will bring something else. The trailer so far hasn't given me much hope for that. But I don't think it's just the writing. I haven't seen anything to suggest there's anything beneath the monologue's from JDM. So in terms of 'a casting mistake' as this video defines it - where it isn't just about performance of an actor but is about the entire combination of how they are written, the role and what that actor does with it, I think JDM as Negan should definitely be on that list. Ha ha another Hollyoaks fan! Brendan was amazing. I hated him but felt sorry for him all at the same time. He would definitely have made a better Negan.
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