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Post by atlanta on Jun 13, 2017 18:39:12 GMT -5
Yes, I'm mad at Carol, yes at Carol, and it's a shame as she's one of my favorite characters. Her evolution was extraordinary, one of the most impressive. This evolution and the overcoming of her misfortunes made me love her. Now (and it's not MMB's fault, and it's not Carol's fault, is the writers' fault) I see her and I desperately want Carol Peletier return, this Carol, I don't know her and I don't like this Carol, this Carol prefer to leave her family ( yes her family, the people who were with her in her worst moments, isn't that she should remain forever grateful, obviously not), I understand that she was going through a bad time, a bad moment, aggravated by Morgan's words and fory Gimple's obsession to create a friendship between them, I understood the part in which she decided to leave, now what I don't understand is that she doesn't return. If she's as interested in her family and home as they wanted us to believe, why she not return to her family when she hear the truth? Why going to the kingdom to recruit Ezekiel? Because this is going to help in the war? That is a cold reaction, not a normal reaction, someone cold and calculating thought that go to the Kingdom to recruit them instead of running to her family to see how they were. Yes, it is true, thKkingdom arrived at the right time, to save the situation. But It's assumed that Carol was in a state of major depression, a real person doesn't come out of a depression like that by art of magic and thinks coldly and calculatingly how to solve a situation like the one that is happening with the Saviors. I hope that at some point in S8, Carol Peletier back. I don't pretend you agree with me, I just wanted to express my disappointment with her character in these last times [Edit by Ripley: This is a vent topic so please remember to accept rather than argue with another member's choice of character here or why, thank you everyone. ]
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Jun 13, 2017 18:49:09 GMT -5
I'm mad at Rick for 1) pushing Lori aside when she was heavily pregnant 2) abandoning his children after her death 3) the idiotic farmer idea and I thought Hershel should have stayed out of it 4) exiling Carol 5) the awful things he said to Carol 6) the thing with Jessie
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Post by Ripley on Jun 13, 2017 20:48:04 GMT -5
Great topic atlanta! I bet every fan has had one moment or event which made them angry. I'll be back to comment later.
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Post by reckon on Jun 13, 2017 23:02:49 GMT -5
I hate Negan for killing Glenn and Abraham. I don't "love to hate" him. I just hate him. There's no grey area here. He brutally killed Glenn and Abraham, to force the group to give him, and continue to give him, half their supplies. What exactly am I supposed to love about him?
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Post by booksrbetter on Jun 13, 2017 23:59:58 GMT -5
So many choices. I'm going with Daryl. 1. He didn't go after Carol when she was banished. 2. He kept saying "Stop" Seriously? What man would say that to Carol? 3. He acted like a complete weirdo with Beth. 4. He joined the Claimers 5. He kept getting Carol injured at Atlanta. 6. He went into that poor pity me mode after Beth got killed even though Carol was in bad shape. 7. He ignored Carol at Alexandria. 8. He didn't turn the bike around and go back to Alexandria. 9. He went all crazy after Denise was killed and ran off to get revenge. 10. He got Glenn killed and his guilt got more screen time than Maggie's grief 11. He didn't look for Carol after she left Alexandria 12. He is always disgustingly dirty. Alexandria had showers.
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Post by booksrbetter on Jun 14, 2017 0:18:06 GMT -5
Yes, I'm mad at Carol, yes at Carol, and it's a shame as she's one of my favorite characters. Her evolution was extraordinary, one of the most impressive. This evolution and the overcoming of her misfortunes made me love her. Now (and it's not MMB's fault, and it's not Carol's fault, is the writers' fault) I see her and I desperately want Carol Peletier return, this Carol, I don't know her and I don't like this Carol, this Carol prefer to leave her family ( yes her family, the people who were with her in her worst moments, isn't that she should remain forever grateful, obviously not), I understand that she was going through a bad time, a bad moment, aggravated by Morgan's words and fory Gimple's obsession to create a friendship between them, I understood the part in which she decided to leave, now what I don't understand is that she doesn't return. If she's as interested in her family and home as they wanted us to believe, why she not return to her family when she hear the truth? Why going to the kingdom to recruit Ezekiel? Because this is going to help in the war? That is a cold reaction, not a normal reaction, someone cold and calculating thought that go to the Kingdom to recruit them instead of running to her family to see how they were. Yes, it is true, thKkingdom arrived at the right time, to save the situation. But It's assumed that Carol was in a state of major depression, a real person doesn't come out of a depression like that by art of magic and thinks coldly and calculatingly how to solve a situation like the one that is happening with the Saviors. I hope that at some point in S8, Carol Peletier back. I don't pretend you agree with me, I just wanted to express my disappointment with her character in these last times I have to admit that I love Season7 Carol as much as all of her other Carol. She spent season 7 living the dream. She told male characters that were full of bs that they were full of bs and to leave her the hell alone. No more cooking, babysitting, or laundry for Carol. She spent her time doing what she wanted. Reading romance novels and living alone. Remember this was the woman who had stayed with Ed because she didn't want to be alone. She didn't pretend to be anyone she wasn't. No flowered sweaters or fake smiles. She was still Carol though, she wanted Morgan to be happy at the Kingdom and she did everything she could to save Ben. She had absolutely no defenses against Daryl. Her heart was on her sleeve when he showed up (probably she read one too many romance novels). She went to the Kingdom because she knew that they had trained soldiers. Carol has the mind of a warrior. She knew that Alexandria needed all the help that they could get. I love me some Carol and so far MMB has managed to pull off a good performance even with the crappy writing.
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Post by Meggo358 on Jun 14, 2017 1:31:31 GMT -5
Probably surprising no one, Im just going to co-sign booksrbetter's post about Daryl. IMO since season four on he has made the worst choices, has been the most consistently terrible friend to others, and gotten away with the most of all of the characters.
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Post by Ripley on Jun 14, 2017 3:06:55 GMT -5
Let's be remember to not question or argue with someone else's choices here since everyone is venting in this topic to a certain degree. it is fine to disagree, but I wish to avoid anyone feeling shamed by their choices. I'm with reckon here and admit my biases openly. Never going to love Negan who killed Glenn (and Abe) even though I understand it happened in the comic and there was chosen to remain the same on the show. There is nothing I love about Negan at all. I liked Merle despite all that he did to hurt others on the show. I;ve tried setting aside the Glenn part to see if I could find anything appealing abotu Negan. For me there is nothing- when I mentally put Negan back in the contemporary real world, and remove all the murders committed by him or on his behalf, I still think "blowhard, obnoxious, narcissistic sociopathic ass who takes joy in being "that guy" no one with intelligence wants to be around." That said, I do understand why some folks admire the comic character who has power, does and says whatever he likes and never (o the show at least) has any accountability for his choices. plus he has a harem, endless power and enjoys one-liners courtesy of Robert Kirkman. So I get it, it just offers no appeal tt me personally.
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Post by Starlight on Jun 14, 2017 8:07:37 GMT -5
After season 7 I can find something to dislike about every character just from that season. Rick - He equated accepting Judith to be the same as accepting Negan's rule. He attacked Oceanside because he was so stupid not to hide guns from Negan. He then shared those guns with a new group he just meet. who then turned on him. Michonne - because she is simply boring as hell to watch. Carl - I will always dislike this character due to the acting. Daryl - For him indirectly causing Glenn's death due to his stupid actions. Carol- because her whole arc since season 6 has been annoying AF to watch. SG took amazing character. And reduced her to prop for a new location and a new character aka Zeke and a returning character aka Morgan. Tara- for giving up Oceanside. Morgan - I dislike everything about this character and his pointless story. Rosita - Her whole arc in season 7 was her being a bitch to everyone and causing death. Negan- because he is simply a piece of shit character. Zeke - He was ridiculous in the comics and is even more ridiculous on the show. The whole Kindgom can go up in smoke. 8-)
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Post by atlanta on Jun 14, 2017 8:53:09 GMT -5
After season 7 I can find something to dislike about every character just from that season. Rick - He equated accepting Judith to be the same as accepting Negan's rule. He attacked Oceanside because he was so stupid not to hide guns from Negan. He then shared those guns with a new group he just meet. who then turned on him. Michonne - because she is simply boring as hell to watch. Carl - I will always dislike this character due to the acting. Daryl - For him indirectly causing Glenn's death due to his stupid actions. Carol- because her whole arc since season 6 has been annoying AF to watch. SG took amazing character. And reduced her to prop for a new location and a new character aka Zeke and a returning character aka Morgan. Tara- for giving up Oceanside. Morgan - I dislike everything about this character and his pointless story. Rosita - Her whole arc in season 7 was her being a bitch to everyone and causing death. Negan- because he is simply a piece of shit character. Zeke - He was ridiculous in the comics and is even more ridiculous on the show. The whole Kindgom can go up in smoke. 8-)
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Jun 14, 2017 13:05:31 GMT -5
To vent further, I'm also mad at Rick for the whole idiotic "pancakes" story (though it was sad because what I took away was that they weren't the kind of family Lori wanted them to be even though she was trying). But for fucking real, he knew Ed was abusive and he tells some "the little woman couldn't cook heh heh heh" story. I think he was in denial that they weren't happy together and their marriage was in trouble.
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Post by weeds_or_wildflowers on Jun 14, 2017 13:47:11 GMT -5
Can i be mad subjectively? And also there are two options, as can be mad at the characters. First - i'm mad at the characters for their actions what i don't like when people do this or i don't like this type of people in principle The second - i'm mad at the characters, but because it's the OOC and infuriates me not what it does, but what i see through the face of the characters is Gimple's and co faces. I'll say that it really didn't come up in the actions of the characters, when it was like OC more likely than on the OOC Most of all I'm mad ar Rick. I'm mad at Rick for his selfishness, which is seen everywhere, since season 3, when he wanted give Mishonne to Governor. Further - for the expulsion of Carol for his own peace of mind. I'm mad at Rick for his relationship with strangers and communities - because Rick thinks it's ok to rob women and kill sleeping people for food. I'm mad at Rick because he no longer knows how to look at the world with the eyes of other people. I'm mad at Rick for the Anderson's family. I'm mad at Lori that at some point, when everything was working out, she went to Shane and spawned in his head a seed of doubts about his role in her life. Because of what, Shane tried to kill Rick and died. I'm mad at Daryl for not trying to find Carol after the fall of the prison. I'm mad at Daryl that he agreed with Rick to give Michonne for Governor. I'm mad at Daryl for how he communicated with Beth right after the fall of the prison. I'm mad at Daryl for not taking weapons that risked stealing by Carol . I'm mad at Daryl for the way he talked with Denise. I'm mad at Daryl for stopping thinking, talking normally and joking (although here it can be attributed to the second case) I'm mad at Merle for beating Glenn. I'm mad at Merle for what he decided that there was no way back for him and died I'm mad at Andrea that she preferred a lover to a friend. I'm mad at Carol in season 2 for disappointing in finding a daughter. I'm mad at Carol for being cold with Daryl in 5A when Daryl tried to bring her into comfort and talk. I'm mad at Carol jumps in bed with the first person who complimented her (oh yeah, I'm mad at the people who thought up showing Carol this way, and that among the whole community only Tobin was interested in her as a sexual object) I'm mad at Carol because she pushed away from herself the kindness and help of good people - Ezekiel, Morgan, and the inhabitants of the Kingdom ... I'm mad at Bobin because he never once remembered Carol after she left Alexandria. I'm mad at Tobin for being still in the show. I'm mad at Morgan for letting go of the wolves with weapons. I'm mad at Morgan for the fact that he started to fight with Carol with his loud principles. I'm mad at Rosita for the way she behaves with people. I'm mad at Abraham for the way he broke up with Rosita. Look like that's it. In general, even with these actions, everything wouldn't be so bad, the characters should be ambiguous and should not always be reasonable, calm and kind. But the worst is the second option, it's almost the whole of the 6th and 7th season and also third of the moments from 2-5 seasons, where the characters had a sluggish motivation, a dull development or even the characters clearly showed "with writer's face"
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Post by weeds_or_wildflowers on Jun 14, 2017 13:53:38 GMT -5
Oh, how could i forget the second place after Rick?
I'm mad at Negan for being a veiled rapist. I'm mad at Negan for the way he mocked Maggie and the whole group when he killed Glenn. I'm mad at Negan for killing a doctor and the fact that Negan killed an important person without checking the information about him
I'll write more if remember
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Post by Meggo358 on Jun 14, 2017 14:16:55 GMT -5
Random comment: I keep wanting to comment further but I'm struggling with the idea of who I'm mad at vs simply who has made a mistakes. Characters making poor choices or doing things I don't agree with means to me that they are being presented as human and I think that's crucial. If all of the characters were devoid of normal human flaws we'd have a show full of Maggies. I think being mad comes in when mistakes and poor choices aren't adequately addressed and/or when mistakes and poor choices aren't presented as such when they clearly are.
Don't mean to derail...I just think it's an interesting thing to ponder
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Post by weeds_or_wildflowers on Jun 14, 2017 14:50:59 GMT -5
Random comment: I keep wanting to comment further but I'm struggling with the idea of who I'm mad at vs simply who has made a mistakes. Characters making poor choices or doing things I don't agree with means to me that they are being presented as human and I think that's crucial. If all of the characters were devoid of normal human flaws we'd have a show full of Maggies. I think being mad comes in when mistakes and poor choices aren't adequately addressed and/or when mistakes and poor choices aren't presented as such when they clearly are. Don't mean to derail...I just think it's an interesting thing to ponder agree with you! I wrote this entire comment, and some of my theses were more about what I was mad about while watching those moments, but not after. Such a majority at least - the actions of Andrea, Merle, some of Carol's actions for example. As you said, there is a difference from the mistakes of heroes who make them alive and intentional. Also wanted to write about these most annoying intentional things, but then i realized that would write all day about everyone and another half a day about irritation from Daryl in the 6-7 season lol
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Post by greaterpursuit on Jun 14, 2017 15:50:46 GMT -5
Most any character I'm mad at is due to writer shenanigans rather than their core characterization. At the moment, I'm mad at Maggie for barely ever modulating her voice anymore. It's grating. She may as well be a robot. But that's more likely the fault of directors than Maggie. ???
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Jun 14, 2017 22:20:48 GMT -5
Most any character I'm mad at is due to writer shenanigans rather than their core characterization. At the moment, I'm mad at Maggie for barely ever modulating her voice anymore. It's grating. She may as well be a robot. But that's more likely the fault of directors than Maggie. ??? Oh yes. Most of my anger is due to poor writing. And I'm the only actor who can even begin to sell bad writing is MMB.
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Post by atlanta on Jun 15, 2017 5:59:16 GMT -5
Most any character I'm mad at is due to writer shenanigans rather than their core characterization. At the moment, I'm mad at Maggie for barely ever modulating her voice anymore. It's grating. She may as well be a robot. But that's more likely the fault of directors than Maggie. ??? Oh yes. Most of my anger is due to poor writing. And I'm the only actor who can even begin to sell bad writing is MMB. The poor writing is the ruin of any character, some actors can better carry out that poor writing others don't
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Post by Starlight on Jun 15, 2017 8:33:08 GMT -5
Most any character I'm mad at is due to writer shenanigans rather than their core characterization. At the moment, I'm mad at Maggie for barely ever modulating her voice anymore. It's grating. She may as well be a robot. But that's more likely the fault of directors than Maggie. ??? Oh yes. Most of my anger is due to poor writing. And I'm the only actor who can even begin to sell bad writing is MMB. Melissa can sell bad writing, but her arc since season 6 really hasn't translated well on the screen. That's why fans/ GA still don't understand what the hell her arc in 6b was really about and still say that she abandoned TF in season 6.
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Post by Meggo358 on Jun 15, 2017 8:46:12 GMT -5
Going way, way back but I'm still mad about Daryl for blaming Carol for the death of Sophia 10 seconds after it happened (and acting like he was going to hit her for a moment there). What's weird is that we weren't supposed to feel like that was totally screwed up, and it really was. For a while when I was only casually watching I kind of forgot about it (probably because the show expected me to and I think I figured that was just a poorly done scene), but blaming others and being cruel in these situations turned out to not be a one time thing for Daryl.
I think I could appreciate (or at least sympathize with) daryl a lot more if he ever have to deal with consequences.
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Post by Starlight on Jun 15, 2017 8:59:09 GMT -5
Meggo358 as long as Daryl is the cash cow all his actions will be glossed over. The show often does this with certain characters Daryl, Michonne and Rick on occasions.while other characters namely Carols actions are dragged through the mud.
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Post by atlanta on Jun 15, 2017 8:59:30 GMT -5
Oh yes. Most of my anger is due to poor writing. And I'm the only actor who can even begin to sell bad writing is MMB. Melissa can sell bad writing, but her arc since season 6 really hasn't translated well on the screen. That's why fans/ GA still don't understand what the hell her arc in 6b was really about and still say that she abandoned TF in season 6. Carol's arc is a total disaster. They're ruining her character
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Post by Meggo358 on Jun 15, 2017 9:11:00 GMT -5
Meggo358 as long as Daryl is the cash cow all his actions will be glossed over. The show often does this with certain characters Daryl, Michonne and Rick on occasions.while other characters namely Carols actions are dragged through the mud. yup. Daryl is definitely (and by definitely I mean "in my opinion") the character who has benefited the most from the "hall pass" tptb give certain characters. Looking back on season 2 it's amazing to me that a guy saying horrible things to a woman right after she lost her child was completely dismissed. And yes if Carol breathes too hard it's apparently a problem
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Jun 15, 2017 9:54:07 GMT -5
Oh yes. Most of my anger is due to poor writing. And I'm the only actor who can even begin to sell bad writing is MMB. The poor writing is the ruin of any character, some actors can better carry out that poor writing others don't <cough>why I hate Rick<cough>mannerisms<cough>
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Post by Mia on Jun 16, 2017 12:13:06 GMT -5
I am mad that Rick is all about what Rick wants and needs. Screw everyone else. I am mad that his family is happy and alive. I am mad that Rick screws up but people still follow his ass. More later.
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