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Post by Ripley on Jun 9, 2017 13:25:24 GMT -5
Many fans of Carol and Michonne, plus casual viewers have wondered why Scott M. Gimple and the writers don't seem to have any interest in allowing Carol and Michonne to be friends. They have much in common, so it seems natural that they would gravitate towards one another at some point in the past 5 seasons. A) Both have lost a child during the ZA: Carol lost Sophia in season 2 on the highway after the herd passed through and a walker saw Sophia and went after her. Rick was unable to find her after leading the two walkers away from where he hid her. Carol learned Sophia's fate once Shane opened the door of Hershel's barn where Otis had put Walker Sophia after finding her wandering the farm property. Michonne lost Andre at the first ZA survivor camp she lived in when her lover and his friend got high while she was out scavenging and Andre was bitten by a walker. The two men she turned into her infamous pets in seasons 2-3.
B) Both are older than Maggie, Tara, Rosita, and SashaMichonne and Carol have had children, are not in their 20s and have experienced life, marriage (legal or common law) have had careers of one sort or another even though the show hasn't really gone there. There was talk by TPTB of Carol being that person who probably did Tupperware, Pampered Chef or other home party-type businesses, while in the comic, Michonne was an attorney pre- ZA and successful. They have life experiences that the younger women in the comic and on the show simply do not have. C) Rick trusts both women implicitly and relies upon the all the time
Even before they became lovers, Rick trusted Michonne to call him out when he made mistakes, included her (post season 3) in much of his planning, and relied upon her counsel about going to Alexandra. He trusted her skills and judgment at the prison and she developed a special relationship with Carl which Rick appreciated in seasons 3 to the present. Rick trusts Carol (post-banishment to present) in much the same way, pulling her into his plans during season 5 to simply take the ASZ if necessary and using her as a spy to get information and move freely around the community in order to learn more about the people, needs, strengths, and weaknesses. In 'No Sanctuary', when Carol reunited Rick and Carl with Judith, having kept her safe in 4-B despite Lizzy, Tyreese and their being on the road wandering for most of that half-season, Rick asked Carol if his group could join her. In season 5-6, he relied upon Carol and in 6.15, he felt confident that she would be fine out there alone, despite her being wounded. He left Morgan to go find her and went back to the ASZ himself. 'No Sanctuary' would have been the perfect time for them to be friends, since the camera caught Carol and Michonne alone together in frame, watching the Grimes' and Williams' family reunions. It was obvious to viewers that both women were thinking of their lost children in that moment and neither had any family living in start contrast to Gleggie, The Grimes family, Abe's group and also the Williams. Carol and Michonne were simply alone together with much in common although the Caryl hug and relationship were balanced my Michonnes relationships with Rick and Carl at that point. Each woman had a future then IMO although it had not yet materialized completely IMO. D) Both Carol and Michonne have had previous close friendships with other women on TWD
The first 3 seasons of TWD, Carol had strong female friendships with Andrea, Jacqui, Amy and Lori. She was especially close with Andrea and Lori until season 3 when Lori died in childbirth, and of course Andrea went missing in the Season 2 finale. Caro hasn;t had any close female friends since then really. Michonne and Andrea spend 6 months together on their own, before arriving at Woodbury where their friendship tanked due to Andrea's (idiotic) relationship with The Governer which resulted in her death in 3.16. Michonne has interacted with Rosita, Sasha, Deanna, but not to the same degree of closeness IMO. OK so let's talk about why Carol and Michonne could be friends and should be friends. Also. why do you think they show won't allow that or make it happen? Do you think it will ever happen or will they always be similar but separated with little interaction? What is the show missing by not putting this friendship together? ( weeds_or_wildflowers)
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Post by Ripley on Jun 9, 2017 13:25:49 GMT -5
We can add a poll to this if y;all want options on if it will happen or why it may not.
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Post by murph on Jun 9, 2017 13:46:39 GMT -5
I actually find Michonne and Carol to be incredibly different people, with incredibly different backgrounds. For me, they should have a relationship because they are both major columns of the core group and have been for a long time, as opposed to any actual personality similarities.
Their approach to things is very different. Michonne's 'why?' to Carol in Alexandria shows that she just doesn't get Carol that way. They have different skills and they rely on different skill sets. Michonne is very direct in honesty and she approaches things in a very simplistic manner. Carol is much more subtle. The two approaches may complement each other? But I'm not really convinced of it, given the lack of obvious friendship and the different ways they have affected Rick. And they are also affected by things very differently. The death of a kid destroys Carol, whereas we didn't even see a reaction from what Michonne had to do with Ron. Carol carries major guilt at killing, whereas Michonne can find the balance between good and bad, and who to kill and not to, much easier. And their lack of friendships mean they haven't really gone through any major things together. Michonne wasn't around for Carol's biggest loses. Carol doesn't know about Michonne's past. Woodbury, Terminus, Atantla, line-up - they both shared different experiences in each and were never together. Have they ever even literally fought side by side? So there's little that naturally pushes a bond between them.
There's also the Lori factor. We never really see how Carol feels about Lori these days, but it's fact she had a much better friendship in 3 seasons with Lori than she has in 5 seasons (if we count 3) with Michonne. I can't imagine that can just be ignored. That doesn't mean I think she habours any issue with Michonne on behalf of Lori, I don't think that at all, but come on, Lori was her best friend. She watched the Lori and Rick marriage fall apart and Lori losing Rick, and then Rick losing Lori in turn. It's still significant and could very rationally create a slight block to a really deep friendship. Added to the fact that Carol pulls away in general? Even more so.
The two of them grabbing at each other, smiling in the rain is one of my favourite scenes. I love how subtle it is. It's background but it establishes there's something there, a natural reaching to connect with each other. I wanted more of their friendship in Alexandria. But now? I'm done wanting something between them. I think it's too late by this point. As far as we've been shown, neither of them are actually aware of what the other is thinking or emotionally reached out for each other, so I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Logic would say they must have a relationship, but it's apparently one that doesn't have either actually thinking about the other in any way. I assume trust and respect of each other is the highest it goes - that each of them will trust their family's safety with the other. Perhaps as two leaders of different communities they can actually have a better relationship than they do now.
As for why outwith characterisation and simply about the writing? The female relationships are never focused on, it's even less so with Carol whom the writers consistently want to pair with male characters as opposed to women.
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Post by dark sister on Jun 9, 2017 14:53:41 GMT -5
And in the end we got Michonne despising Carol for her lying (or wearing her mask) in 5.16. That didn't happen.
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Post by weeds_or_wildflowers on Jun 9, 2017 15:06:12 GMT -5
And in the end we got Michonne despising Carol for her lying (or wearing her mask) in 5.16. That didn't happen. Well, okay, maybe it calls to criticize or disapprove? I'm not an English speaker, already said this before, im so sorry if it was mis-phrased. But some dissapproving really was
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Post by dark sister on Jun 9, 2017 15:11:31 GMT -5
Well, okay, maybe it calls to criticize or disapprove? I'm not an English speaker, already said this before, im so sorry if it was mis-phrased. But some dissapproving really was I don't recall Michonne even mentioning Carol in 516, that's the thing. She was speaking to Rick about Rick. Her name never came up between the two of them that I recall.
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Post by weeds_or_wildflowers on Jun 9, 2017 15:17:32 GMT -5
I actually find Michonne and Carol to be incredibly different people, with incredibly different backgrounds. For me, they should have a relationship because they are both major columns of the core group and have been for a long time, as opposed to any actual personality similarities. Their approach to things is very different. Michonne's 'why?' to Carol in Alexandria shows that she just doesn't get Carol that way. They have different skills and they rely on different skill sets. Michonne is very direct in honesty and she approaches things in a very simplistic manner. Carol is much more subtle. The two approaches may complement each other? But I'm not really convinced of it, given the lack of obvious friendship and the different ways they have affected Rick. And they are also affected by things very differently. The death of a kid destroys Carol, whereas we didn't even see a reaction from what Michonne had to do with Ron. Carol carries major guilt at killing, whereas Michonne can find the balance between good and bad, and who to kill and not to, much easier. And their lack of friendships mean they haven't really gone through any major things together. Michonne wasn't around for Carol's biggest loses. Carol doesn't know about Michonne's past. Woodbury, Terminus, Atantla, line-up - they both shared different experiences in each and were never together. Have they ever even literally fought side by side? So there's little that naturally push a bond between them. There's also the Lori factor. We never really see how Carol feels about Lori these days, but it's fact she had a much better friendship in 3 seasons with Lori than she has in 5 seasons (if we count 3) with Michonne. I can't imagine that can just be ignored. That doesn't mean I think she habours any issue with Michonne on behalf of Lori, I don't think that at all, but come on, Lori was her best friend. She watched the Lori and Rick marriage fall apart and Lori losing Rick, and then Rick losing Lori in turn. It's still significant and could very rationally create a slight block to a really deep friendship. Added to the fact that Carol pulls away in general? Even more so. The two of them grabbing at each other, smiling in the rain is one of my favourite scenes. I love how subtle it is. It's background but it establishes there's something there, a natural reaching to connect with each other. I wanted more of their friendship in Alexandria. But now? I'm done wanting something between them. I think it's too late by this point. As far as we've been shown, neither of them are actually aware of what the other is thinking or emotionally reached out for each other, so I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Logic would say they must have a relationship, but it's apparently one that doesn't have either actually thinking about the other in any way. I assume trust and respect of each other is the highest it goes - that each of them will trust their family's safety with the other. Perhaps as two leaders of different communities they can actually have a better relationship than they do now. As for why outwith characterisation and simply about the writing? The female relationships are never focused on, it's even less so with Carol whom the writers consistently want to pair with male characters as opposed to women. About Lori as best friend of Carol - always sense something like this, too, but could not formulate. + Maybe Lori was even best friend in Carol's life, not in ZA only, 'cause (just my assumption) Ed didn't allow her to be friends with other people in full A very great and voluminous post!
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Post by Mia on Jun 9, 2017 15:19:16 GMT -5
I used to want them to be friends and have scenes together but not so much anymore.
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Post by weeds_or_wildflowers on Jun 9, 2017 15:25:32 GMT -5
dark sister She was talking to Carol. Michonne asked Carol why they had to lie to everyone, (Danai's face at that moment played even more than her words!) when Carol responded to her that "Because they are children and children like stories." Glenn and Abe were in room at that moment too
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Post by murph on Jun 9, 2017 15:26:47 GMT -5
I actually find Michonne and Carol to be incredibly different people, with incredibly different backgrounds. For me, they should have a relationship because they are both major columns of the core group and have been for a long time, as opposed to any actual personality similarities. Their approach to things is very different. Michonne's 'why?' to Carol in Alexandria shows that she just doesn't get Carol that way. They have different skills and they rely on different skill sets. Michonne is very direct in honesty and she approaches things in a very simplistic manner. Carol is much more subtle. The two approaches may complement each other? But I'm not really convinced of it, given the lack of obvious friendship and the different ways they have affected Rick. And they are also affected by things very differently. The death of a kid destroys Carol, whereas we didn't even see a reaction from what Michonne had to do with Ron. Carol carries major guilt at killing, whereas Michonne can find the balance between good and bad, and who to kill and not to, much easier. And their lack of friendships mean they haven't really gone through any major things together. Michonne wasn't around for Carol's biggest loses. Carol doesn't know about Michonne's past. Woodbury, Terminus, Atantla, line-up - they both shared different experiences in each and were never together. Have they ever even literally fought side by side? So there's little that naturally push a bond between them. There's also the Lori factor. We never really see how Carol feels about Lori these days, but it's fact she had a much better friendship in 3 seasons with Lori than she has in 5 seasons (if we count 3) with Michonne. I can't imagine that can just be ignored. That doesn't mean I think she habours any issue with Michonne on behalf of Lori, I don't think that at all, but come on, Lori was her best friend. She watched the Lori and Rick marriage fall apart and Lori losing Rick, and then Rick losing Lori in turn. It's still significant and could very rationally create a slight block to a really deep friendship. Added to the fact that Carol pulls away in general? Even more so. The two of them grabbing at each other, smiling in the rain is one of my favourite scenes. I love how subtle it is. It's background but it establishes there's something there, a natural reaching to connect with each other. I wanted more of their friendship in Alexandria. But now? I'm done wanting something between them. I think it's too late by this point. As far as we've been shown, neither of them are actually aware of what the other is thinking or emotionally reached out for each other, so I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Logic would say they must have a relationship, but it's apparently one that doesn't have either actually thinking about the other in any way. I assume trust and respect of each other is the highest it goes - that each of them will trust their family's safety with the other. Perhaps as two leaders of different communities they can actually have a better relationship than they do now. As for why outwith characterisation and simply about the writing? The female relationships are never focused on, it's even less so with Carol whom the writers consistently want to pair with male characters as opposed to women. About Lori as best friend of Carol - always sense something like this, too, but could not formulate. + Maybe Lori was even best friend in Carol's life, not in ZA only, 'cause (just my assumption) Ed didn't allow her to be friends with other people in full A very great and voluminous post! Yeah I think that's a very good point that the friendship Carol found with Lori may have been the first time in her adult life that she had such friendship. At least a rarity, anyway, because of her marriage. We obviously don't really know but I think it's a very credible assumption. And it definitely would have been the first kind of friendship she experienced through the loss of her child. That's something she found with Daryl there too, and which founded a major bond in the same way. Carol had a friendship with Andrea too, but I definitely think she and Lori were closer. Carol and Lori went through experiences together in a way that Carol hasn't with any other female character. They bonded because they were there together, comforting each other through it and they grew through their apocalypse experiences. That doesn't exist between Carol and Michonne. I don't think it exists between Carol and any other female character. The stuff with Morgan and the Wolf - there was follow up there with Rosita, and at least mentions and thoughts of Tara and Denise from Carol, because they went through something together there. Carol and Michonne don't even really have that.
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Post by murph on Jun 9, 2017 15:34:26 GMT -5
dark sister She was talking to Carol. Michonne asked Carol why they had to lie to everyone, (Danai's face at that moment played even more than her words!) when Carol responded to her that "Because they are children and children like stories." Glenn and Abe were in room at that moment too I think you're talking about the same moment I referred to in my post. The "why?" from Michonne when Carol tells her, Glenn and Abraham that she's been telling the Alexandrians what they want to hear since they got there, when they all go visit Rick after the Pete fight. I think it's a pretty significant moment that shows Carol and Michonne are different. I don't think Michonne was angry about it (if she was, I think she would have simply later questioned Carol about it because she's direct like that) but she definitely didn't get it as far as I saw it. Which makes sense because they are different and there was an obvious point that they wanted to approach Alexandria differently. Considering it is one of the only times they have ever even spoken to each other, it's more significant than it otherwise would be if there was further friendship there to balance it out.
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Post by weeds_or_wildflowers on Jun 9, 2017 15:52:00 GMT -5
I always thought that their communication, not even the whole friendship, it would be something interesting to see! As murph said, they experienced many similar situations, but separately and reacted differently. As for me, their open and frank interaction could save Carol from some bad thoughts and would not allow her to feel lonely as she was. Michonne seems for me as a girl who prefers men's companies mostly. Rick, Carl, Daryl, Glenn, Herschel - she was more frank with them than with many girls. With Rosita, she only exchanged a couple of phrases, with Beth we didn't see much communication, with Carol it was shown only at 5.10 in the background, with Tara - i don't remember anything, with Sasha - yes, there was interaction and Michonne took care of her , but in the end, they didn't become friends. I liked the moment for Michonne with Deanna, and what Michonne did for Spencer after finding walkerDeanna at 6.10. Apparently, Michonne greatly appreciated Deanna and apparently, she communicated and they could make friends. Only with Maggie they were seen together most of all. I think there can be two reasons for the plot of the friendship between Michonne and Carol (or other women). Michonne realizes that she could make friendship with Carol, with other women, but she deliberately isolates herself from it. She lost Andrea and probably worries about it until now, Andrea was her only real friend on the screen. I also think that Michonne and her past are what influenced her communication with women. It can be anything. Maybe she trusts them less than men because she has experienced betrayal, or she simply always knew how to better find a common language with men than with women. Andrea could also become her rare friend for a long time. And then she died. Perhaps Michonne is simply isolating himself from pain.
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Post by Ripley on Jun 9, 2017 17:33:08 GMT -5
There are many great points here from all the posters, IMO. I agree Carol and Lori had that closeness because of what hey endured together, the way people may necome close through enduring crises together. Had Lori lived longer, they would definitely have continued as friends I think, because those bonds can be stronger than more casual bonds made over a longer period of time. murph, you noted many terrific reasons why the women have not become friends and I had not thought of it in quite those ways, so appreciate you pointing those out. Yes, they are characters on a show but the weird isolation of the women who are supposedly part of a "family" together just clinks an odd note to me.
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Post by murph on Jun 9, 2017 17:58:58 GMT -5
There are many great points here from all the posters, IMO. I agree Carol and Lori had that closeness because of what hey endured together, the way people may necome close through enduring crises together. Had Lori lived longer, they would definitely have continued as friends I think, because those bonds can be stronger than more casual bonds made over a longer period of time. murph , you noted many terrific reasons why the women have not become friends and I had not thought of it in quite those ways, so appreciate you pointing those out. Yes, they are characters on a show but the weird isolation of the women who are supposedly part of a "family" together just clinks an odd note to me. I do think it is a shame overall, and the lack of female friendships (the negligence of friendships in general) is one that bums me out because I really liked that Carol and Lori early friendship. But considering how much time has passed and how much both have experienced and the reality now is that they don't seem to have a significant friendship, I just don't see how really it would make much sense for them to ever have one. Like I said, maybe as two community leaders we could see them interacting more than they have at this point? Sharing ideas and information, connecting as leaders. It's really, really pushing it, but I've tried to convince myself that maybe it's not terrible they're not friends. If they were, it would potentially be pushed simply only because they are both strong women. Whereas now, they are very independent, strong women who do not need to automatically be matched just because. That opinion definitely relies on the fact that the plot and the personality traits has not enabled them to be have a significant friendship, but still...I think maybe there's something in that. And they haven't been pitted against each other. That might be a small victory in the same light. Simply, neither needs the other for plotline. That and Carol's separation from Michonne isn't actually about Michonne, isn't actually about keeping Carol and Michonne separated - Carol is separated from pretty much everybody in that group who is not Rick and Daryl (and now Morgan, if we're including him in the Team Family group.) I'd rather see focus on female friendships that do exist. Tara and Rosita for example, Tara and Maggie maybe due some attention again. Or new ones, like maybe Carol and a Kingdom female character.
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Post by booksrbetter on Jun 9, 2017 20:32:40 GMT -5
The answer to that question is simple. Women exist in this universe only to interact around the male characters now. Carol was friends with Lori season two and three. That sort of relationship doesn't exist in TWD anymore. Closest relationship that is similar would be Maggie and Sasha and now Sasha is dead. Even Tara-Denise had very little screen time. I've always thought that Michonne and Carol had many similarities. They both lost children. They went through the loss of Andrea, the prison, Terminus fight, trip to Washington, Alexandria together (even if we never saw most interaction between them. They were both single for most of that time. Michonne and Rick are a somewhat new couple. Carol and Tobin seem to have started about that same time. Both women are independent, good fighters, love Judith, and can be cold blooded killers when they need to be. Michonne can be lethal when she needs to be. Carol can be lethal when she needs to be. I'm still hoping that the two of them get to fight together. Given the way TWD writes women they'd probably fight together but never manage to have a conversation.
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Post by gia on Jun 10, 2017 16:15:03 GMT -5
The answer to that question is simple. Women exist in this universe only to interact around the male characters now. Carol was friends with Lori season two and three. That sort of relationship doesn't exist in TWD anymore. Closest relationship that is similar would be Maggie and Sasha and now Sasha is dead. Even Tara-Denise had very little screen time. I've always thought that Michonne and Carol had many similarities. They both lost children. They went through the loss of Andrea, the prison, Terminus fight, trip to Washington, Alexandria together (even if we never saw most interaction between them. They were both single for most of that time. Michonne and Rick are a somewhat new couple. Carol and Tobin seem to have started about that same time. Both women are independent, good fighters, love Judith, and can be cold blooded killers when they need to be. Michonne can be lethal when she needs to be. Carol can be lethal when she needs to be. I'm still hoping that the two of them get to fight together. Given the way TWD writes women they'd probably fight together but never manage to have a conversation. I think it would be great to have the two of them be friends. We could have some snarky conversations, some occasional laughs, some bonding that doesn't involve men. They could grieve together. I could see Michonne comforting her over what happened in the Grove. But this show doesn't know how to write female friendships anymore. It seems to be considered unimportant now. Our loss.
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Jun 11, 2017 8:52:11 GMT -5
Women just aren't important on the show. Or at least not women like Carol. I think she only is allowed to live because of MMB's acting. I can't see any other explanation as to why they keep creating storyline for weak female actors who just happen to be young and hot. I admit LC stepped it up last season, but she didn't really impress me in previous seasons.
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Post by sonia on Jun 11, 2017 10:56:57 GMT -5
I wish they would at least interact, but the writers on this show have no clue how to write female friendships.
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Post by Mia on Jun 11, 2017 10:57:29 GMT -5
I want Carol to have a friend like she did with Lori and Andrea. But Michonne is not it. I hope one day they decide that Carol is in need of a female friend again.
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Post by reckon on Jun 11, 2017 12:43:33 GMT -5
In issue 108 of The Walking Dead comics, Andrea and Michonne have a talk, over lunch at the ASZ. Maybe the show could adapt this. In season 5, Michonne didn't want to fight, and now she does, and in season 7, Carol didn't want to fight, and now she does. And in 5.01, Carol did say "We're friends of the kid with the hat and the chick with the sword."
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Post by Starlight on Jun 11, 2017 15:08:45 GMT -5
In issue 108 of The Walking Dead comics, Andrea and Michonne have a talk, over lunch at the ASZ. Maybe the show could adapt this. In season 5, Michonne didn't want to fight, and now she does, and in season 7, Carol didn't want to fight, and now she does. And in 5.01, Carol did say "We're friends of the kid with the hat and the chick with the sword." Sadly I can't see that happening.... Honestly if SG does ship Carol of to The Kindgom and probably copies the comics with the backburning of The kindgom. Then I don't think we are going to see Carol bonding with any female characters. We will be lucky to even see Carol. The only female interaction Carol will probably has will be the interactions with {Spoiler} Tara that take place on the premiere episode.
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Post by atlanta on Jun 11, 2017 19:13:50 GMT -5
I want Carol to have a friend like she did with Lori and Andrea. But Michonne is not it. I hope one day they decide that Carol is in need of a female friend again. Maggie
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Post by booksrbetter on Jun 11, 2017 19:56:55 GMT -5
I want Carol to have a friend like she did with Lori and Andrea. But Michonne is not it. I hope one day they decide that Carol is in need of a female friend again. Maggie Maggie and Carol were both good in "The Same Boat" and I've always fancied Carol taking a role in teaching Maggie how to tend to her baby. Maybe at Hilltop? Who really knows what Gimple will do? I don't think Carol is going to be totally backburned this season but there will be at least half the season will be the war.
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Post by wanderfull on Jun 12, 2017 20:41:26 GMT -5
I think, if the writers do it, they would have been shown as close friends. They would be because like their inner circle of friends they would be. Carol is close with Daryl who is best friends with Rick. Michonne is Rick's gf.
I do agree with the first post. I think they have a lot things in common. I guess they're not shown a lot together because they're kind of like leading ladies. The writers want someone leading for Kingdom plot (other part of the story) so Carol is away from team family to do that. Also like how Maggie is at the Hilltop. Therefore we don't get Carol and Michonne (and other ladies) interactions. Maybe, the writers think these two are too similar or overpowers other scenes in the show, so they wouldnt work out or balance well with other plots. But, we have Rick/Daryl scenes all the time so I don't know. sigh. You know this show doesn't do female interactions well.
Also, I feel like it means something when Carol is taking some of comic Michonne's arcs and tv Michonne isn't on some plots. So it's like again Carol and Michonne are similar or something like that.
Comic spoiler... there's a moment where Michonne tells to Andrea she's one of her good friends. Andrea and Michonne are good friends.
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Post by Ripley on Jun 12, 2017 20:49:08 GMT -5
Welcome to the community wanderfull! Please let me know whenever I can help you with something here. You make some terrific points about the show and the comic, as well as Michonne and Carol both being leading ladies.
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Post by ceissamed on Jun 19, 2017 8:48:17 GMT -5
Well, okay, maybe it calls to criticize or disapprove? I'm not an English speaker, already said this before, im so sorry if it was mis-phrased. But some dissapproving really was I don't recall Michonne even mentioning Carol in 516, that's the thing. She was speaking to Rick about Rick. Her name never came up between the two of them that I recall. Rick convinced Michonne that he should go to Atlanta with Daryl save Carol. Michonne didn't want Rick to leave the church and he said he owed Carol more than anyone else.
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