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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 24, 2017 11:57:24 GMT -5
When I first joined the fandom everyone told me this was Carl's story, and sometimes I heard it was Carl/Rick's story and that if Carl was to die Rick couldn't go on. I just don't see it and never have. What am I missing? As seasons pass Carl and Rick interact less and less. Moments like we got in the barn in season 2 when Rick gave Carl his everyone will die speech are nearly non existent now. So what gives? Whose story is it?
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Post by Starlight on Mar 24, 2017 12:12:54 GMT -5
As CR has the acting ability of plank. I'm glad the show doesn't focus him that much. The less Carl the happy I am watching episode.  The show at the moment seems to be focusing on Rick.They made Negan killing Abe and Glenn all about Rick and his manpain. Instead of focusing on Maggie and Sasha which was a mistake on the show part. Not everyone is interested in watching Rick breakdown for the fourth or is it the fifth time. And the show tried to sell 7b on Rick smiling.  I don't think the show will ever solely focus on Carl. Because Carl doesn't sell to the GA. Most of the GA would be happy if Carl died. So I think the show will continue to focus more on Rick than Rick and Carl. |
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Post by dark sister on Mar 24, 2017 12:49:13 GMT -5
The show should be Rick/Carl's story but it never has been. It is Rick's story for the most part. I don't think Gimple writes Rick as the main protagonist as well as Darabont or Mazzara did, because he continues to have him absent from so many episodes, but we do still see a lot of things through Rick's eyes. Carl, IMO none of the showrunners ever tried to have the audience see through. Carl has never been a hit with the GA. The "stay in the house" thing ruined that. I also think CR's schooling gets in the way of being used more, even if they wanted to.
I don't see how they can avoid it being Carl's story as he grows older though (actually I can, they'll probably give it to Daryl) Carl eventually has to take over from Rick. That's almost a given. I'm just not sure how Gimple will handle it or if he'll even try.
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Post by Starlight on Mar 24, 2017 13:24:38 GMT -5
The show should be Rick/Carl's story but it never has been. It is Rick's story for the most part. I don't think Gimple writes Rick as the main protagonist as well as Darabont or Mazzara did, because he continues to have him absent from so many episodes, but we do still see a lot of things through Rick's eyes. Carl, IMO none of the showrunners ever tried to have the audience see through. Carl has never been a hit with the GA. The "stay in the house" thing ruined that. I also think CR's schooling gets in the way of being used more, even if they wanted to. I don't see how they can avoid it being Carl's story as he grows older though (actually I can, they'll probably give it to Daryl) Carl eventually has to take over from Rick. That's almost a given. I'm just not sure how Gimple will handle it or if he'll even try. I don't think the show will ever have Carl take over. If Carl was played by a different actor then yes it would probably work. But with CR in the role, I don't think it will ever happen. Tv is different to the comics and the fact that both Carl and Negan are loved in the comics, but on the screen not so much, tells us how things don't always translate. If the shows wants a Grimes to lead in the end...my pick would be a aged up Judith. |
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Post by dark sister on Mar 24, 2017 13:41:54 GMT -5
Realistically, I could see the show having Michonne take over everything instead of Carl. I think CR can improve as an actor, especially when he becomes an adult. But who knows.
Aged up Judith is definitely an option too.
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Post by Starlight on Mar 24, 2017 13:51:34 GMT -5
Realistically, I could see the show having Michonne take over everything instead of Carl. I think CR can improve as an actor, especially when he becomes an adult. But who knows. Aged up Judith is definitely an option too. I didn't even think of Michonne. She is Rick's everything including his right hand, so that would be a good option. CR has had 7 years and he still sucks.. some actors are just bad actors who never improve... |
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 24, 2017 13:57:25 GMT -5
CR's acting has gotten worse over time so the thought of him leading makes me shudder. Plus, at some point the excuse of he's just a kid isn't enough to excuse his lack of talent. He's a kid that's grown up in the business and compared to other WD kid actors he's surely lacking. That said I do want the best for CR because his interviews show so much personality.
I do like the idea of Michonne or a grown Judith taking the lead if necessary. The former, in a way, seems to be on that track, while the latter would be hella cool.
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Post by dark sister on Mar 24, 2017 14:36:13 GMT -5
Realistically, I don't think CR leading means leading the show. I expect Rick to die in either the penultimate episode or the last episode of the series. It would just be an epilogue showing Carl as the leader. Not him taking over main star duties.
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Post by greaterpursuit on Mar 24, 2017 16:55:34 GMT -5
I think the issue here is the difference between a graphic novel and a TV show. It is Carl's story in the GN because the comic can go on indefinitely so the shift in protagonist from Rick to Carl can happen organically over time.
A TV show has a shelf life and Chandler is still a very young looking teenager. I don't think the show has as many years left as it would take for Carl to become a convincing adult leader.
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Post by booksrbetter on Mar 24, 2017 17:16:05 GMT -5
Carl has always been an annoying little s--t. I did think he wasn't that bad an actor back in the day but he's just awful now. He's not going to get better because he looks too young, too girlish with the long hair, and he still an annoying little s--t. He doesn't look like a leader. He looks like a eighth grader.
I loved Benjamin. I despise Carl especially this season. Skating their way to Hilltop because he wrecks the car (in a world of no traffic he managed to wreck the car). Sneaking into the Sanctuary to kill Negan.... that isn't working so well for Team Family this year. He is just painful to watch.
The one time I like Carl is when he is with Judith.
He is never going to be the leader. Can you imagine the adults on the show following Carl?
Michonne could be the leader. She should be the leader. Personally, I could lose Rick and Carl. I do love Judith though.
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Post by neganlucille21 on Mar 24, 2017 17:30:19 GMT -5
I honestly don't think he is a bad actor, in my point of view the writers don't give him enough of screen time and they also don't make clearly how exactly Carl is dealing with the situations, not even for CR, because they just abandoned his character since season 4 so he doesn't have a defined personality what makes Chandler's job harder, It's not a fact that it was just after this season that fans began to criticize his performance. But when he finally got a good storyline with Negan in 7A, I think he did a very good job.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 24, 2017 17:54:42 GMT -5
Welcome, neganlucille21 ! Nice to have you here. I think CR did some of his best acting in season 4, when it was just Carl and Rick, and then Carl, Rick, and Michonne after the fall of the prison. |
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Post by neganlucille21 on Mar 24, 2017 19:52:27 GMT -5
Welcome, neganlucille21 ! Nice to have you here. I think CR did some of his best acting in season 4, when it was just Carl and Rick, and then Carl, Rick, and Michonne after the fall of the prison. And then the writers just abandoned Carl's storyline, so some people started to think that he played a main character who has the same screen time than a secondary character because he is a bad actor, and with that time he always had to be in the backgrounds of the intense scenes, mostly in season 5, with the same facial expression because Carl got used to that situations during the seasons before so he was never worried about it, and he got just a few quickly challenging solo scenes to show the audience that he exists and that he is a good actor, so that was another reason for people start to blame him for the dissapointing development of Carl. |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 24, 2017 20:08:25 GMT -5
Welcome to the community neganlucille21, glad to have you here. Please let me know by PM or tagging me in a topic whenever I can help you out with something. 4-A, when Carl was being "Jody-rehabbed" gave Chandler a great chance to show what he is capable of with good material for Carl IMO. 4.09 was extraordinary and he nailed it all from the excitement and fear plus the enjoyment of snarfing down all the pudding. He has not had much good material since then IMO and it is a shame. |
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Post by neganlucille21 on Mar 24, 2017 20:22:37 GMT -5
Welcome to the community neganlucille21 , glad to have you here. Please let me know by PM or tagging me in a topic whenever I can help you out with something. 4-A, when Carl was being "Jody-rehabbed" gave Chandler a great chance to show what he is capable of with good material for Carl IMO. 4.09 was extraordinary and he nailed it all from the excitement and fear plus the enjoyment of snarfing down all the pudding. He has not had much good material since then IMO and it is a shame. I hope that in season 8 when Chandler complete 18, he can be able to spend more time filming in the show, specially without school. |
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Post by gia on Mar 24, 2017 20:42:19 GMT -5
I never thought of it as Carl's story. He's just not a good actor at all, and that's probably why they avoided going into the loss of his eye. And pretty much ignore him most of the time. When he was a cute little kid it didn't matter that much, but now it shows. He's the show's new EK. |
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 24, 2017 20:53:48 GMT -5
Welcome, neganlucille21 ! Nice to have you here. I think CR did some of his best acting in season 4, when it was just Carl and Rick, and then Carl, Rick, and Michonne after the fall of the prison. And then the writers just abandoned Carl's storyline, so some people started to think that he played a main character who has the same screen time than a secondary character because he is a bad actor, and with that time he always had to be in the backgrounds of the intense scenes, mostly in season 5, with the same facial expression because Carl got used to that situations during the seasons before so he was never worried about it, and he got just a few quickly challenging solo scenes to show the audience that he exists and that he is a good actor, so that was another reason for people start to blame him for the dissapointing development of Carl. I don't think he doesn't get material because he's a bad actor. Emily Kinney was the worst actor of the series but we know how much time was devoted to her in 4B and 5A. Too much. That's how much. I just think the writers don't care for his character, regardless of CR's acting ability, and only trout Carl out when they need to recreate the big Carl-related comic moments. |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 24, 2017 21:41:09 GMT -5
Welcome to the community neganlucille21 , glad to have you here. Please let me know by PM or tagging me in a topic whenever I can help you out with something. 4-A, when Carl was being "Jody-rehabbed" gave Chandler a great chance to show what he is capable of with good material for Carl IMO. 4.09 was extraordinary and he nailed it all from the excitement and fear plus the enjoyment of snarfing down all the pudding. He has not had much good material since then IMO and it is a shame. I hope that in season 8 when Chandler complete 18, he can be able to spend more time filming in the show, specially without school. His being in college is going to change some things I am sure for the 7-B filming unless he waits to start in the January 2018 Winter semester, which would put him half a year behind his friends and peers. He'd likely have to take at least 4 classes .at 3 credits each, for the basic 12 credit hours per semester U.S.college standard load, unless our academic experts think that has changed? I hope he has enough time to have fun, go to parties, make friends and also extracurriculars including pledging a fraternity if he wishes. To enjoy the same full teenage life he enjoyed once he stopped being homeschooled or set tutored and went to high school, a few years ago. |
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Post by Meggo358 on Mar 26, 2017 17:10:55 GMT -5
If I werent a member of the fandom, I think I'd consider the idea that the story this show is telling is carls to be quite a surprise. I dont consider him to be the focus, even symbolically, of the show. I dont really think I'd like it if he were, to be honest - while I like Carl, I have a hard time imaging this show doing as well as it does if the story were really about a young boy in the apocalypse.
Maybe that notion translates better in the comics, but I dont and cant imagine this show being "carls story". Does make me wonder: do we ever hear about this being discussed by gimple and co? Do they describe it as carls story?
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Post by Starlight on Mar 26, 2017 18:19:52 GMT -5
I disagree on CR not being given matherial. He does get matherial but never really delivers on it. He looks like either resighting the lines in his head or he makes it obvious he is acting. He is just not a natural performer. And you know he isn't the only bad actor on the show. The show has a habit of hiring good actors for short term roles and hiring limited actors for long term roles.
And for me the best descision the show has ever done is not focus on Carl, and make the show around him. I think if the show had focused on Carl the ratings would have never risen so high, and they wouldn't have gotten so much attention from the media.
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