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Post by Ripley on Mar 12, 2017 11:39:53 GMT -5
We know Gregory is a lying, devious snake who would cheerfully hand over his 102 year -old grandmother with breaking a sweat, or more likely, would trade her for a case of his favorite Scotch. Sexual Chocolate raised a terrific question not long ago when she brought up the failure of the Hilltop people to take any action against or replace Gregory. We know there are people beyond Gregory and Jesus- we've seen them on episodes. These fools are OK with Gregory as he is, but then discontented to the point where Enid can rouse them to fight? Gregory is still in power. We haven't seen Maggie or Sasha talking to them or hanging out together, but everyone jumps when Maggie starts issuing orders in a time of crisis. Some of this is "cardboard- cutout TV shorthand" since screen time is limited and thos escenes owuld be boring. TWD isn't going to waste a moment, building story, when Negan could be speechifying somewhere in the land. If I lived at Hilltop, I'd be a huge PiTA- "Who are you, why are you giving orders, what is going on, why should I listen to and follow you?" I would also have booted Gregory ages ago and installed anyone else as a leader, plus put in a Council to run the place. Thoughts?
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 12, 2017 14:52:39 GMT -5
I'm repeating myself but Gimple doesn't care about Hilltop and that's why it's a shell of a location, made up of mostly nonexistent superficial characters, with the barest of plot lines. He has barely out of her tweens Enid rally the nonexistent Hilltopians. Not Jesus, a longtime member of the community. Not Maggie who supposedly has shown so much leadership that the nonexistent Hilltopians are ready to slide her into Gregory's place. Hilltop is a means to an end and that is all.
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Post by Starlight on Mar 12, 2017 15:15:26 GMT -5
Right now it does appear that SG doesn't give a damn about Hilltop. But if he is following the comics, then he will start caring about the place in season 8.
I think the people at Hilltop are just the kind of people who are fine with any person doing the hard job of leading as long as it's not them personally. Gregory took the leadership role and everyone including Jesus just went with it. Maggie starts giving out orders and the people just fall into line.
Hilltop are like the Saviors they need someone to tell them what to do, otherwise the place would fall apart.
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Post by murph on Mar 12, 2017 15:30:57 GMT -5
I agree that the Hilltop has been lacking in effort from a writing stance but the Hilltop lot having not revolted against Gregory doesn't bother me at all. I don't find it unrealistic. We've seen communities again and again under shitty leaders. People will accept a lot to be comfortable. People like to follow. Their lives are fairly decent for the majority. They think they're safe and have food. So Gregory's a dick. But so what? Most of them prolly don't actually have that much interaction with him (we never see him with anybody) and he's prolly worthy entertainment just to bitch about the latest douchey thing he's done, like a pain in the ass boss who you hate but is still providing you your shelter and food.
What's telling is how quickly they've stepped up upon realising there can be a different way. What is it Jesus says? About how he used to think it was manageable or something but now realises it's not? He's realised that from his experiences with Team Family, of seeing that actually, there is another option. And stepped up. The Hilltop lot backed Team Family easily. They didn't have to be swayed, they're not afraid of Gregory, they don't like him. But until now they didn't really realise there were a possibility of another way. The first group we met of them after Jesus were quick to try to step up too, but Team Family squashed that, because the Hilltop lot were inexperienced in comparison. For a character set up and community I find that boring and I'm not really interested in it, but I don't think it's unrealistic.
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Post by greaterpursuit on Mar 12, 2017 15:38:26 GMT -5
I agree that the Hilltop has been lacking in effort from a writing stance but the Hilltop lot having not revolted against Gregory doesn't bother me at all. I don't find it unrealistic. We've seen communities again and again under shitty leaders. People will accept a lot to be comfortable. People like to follow. Their lives are fairly decent for the majority. They think they're safe and have food. So Gregory's a dick. But so what? Most of them prolly don't actually have that much interaction with him and he's prolly worthy entertainment just to bitch about the latest douchey he's done, like a pain in the ass boss who you hate but is still providing you your shelter and food. What's telling is how quickly they've stepped up upon realising there can be a different way. What is it Jesus says? About how he used to think it was manageable or something but now realises it's not? He's realised that from his experiences with Team Family, of seeing that actually, there is another option. And stepped up. The Hilltop lot backed Team Family easily. They didn't have to be swayed, they're not afraid of Gregory, they don't like him. But until now they didn't really realise there were a possibility of another way. As a character set up and community I find that boring, but I don't think it's unrealistic. Yes, complacency makes sense, but I think it just comes down to lazy writing. It feels like Hilltop is just a plot device rather than a community right now, so Gimple is unconcerned with trivial things like, you know, a narrative that makes sense.
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Post by murph on Mar 12, 2017 15:41:12 GMT -5
I agree that the Hilltop has been lacking in effort from a writing stance but the Hilltop lot having not revolted against Gregory doesn't bother me at all. I don't find it unrealistic. We've seen communities again and again under shitty leaders. People will accept a lot to be comfortable. People like to follow. Their lives are fairly decent for the majority. They think they're safe and have food. So Gregory's a dick. But so what? Most of them prolly don't actually have that much interaction with him and he's prolly worthy entertainment just to bitch about the latest douchey he's done, like a pain in the ass boss who you hate but is still providing you your shelter and food. What's telling is how quickly they've stepped up upon realising there can be a different way. What is it Jesus says? About how he used to think it was manageable or something but now realises it's not? He's realised that from his experiences with Team Family, of seeing that actually, there is another option. And stepped up. The Hilltop lot backed Team Family easily. They didn't have to be swayed, they're not afraid of Gregory, they don't like him. But until now they didn't really realise there were a possibility of another way. As a character set up and community I find that boring, but I don't think it's unrealistic. Yes, complacency makes sense, but I think it just comes down to lazy writing. It feels like Hilltop is just a plot device rather than a community right now, so Gimple is unconcerned with trivial things like, you know, a narrative that makes sense. lol definitely valid. And I agree it is lazy writing. There's nobody really there I care about outside of Jesus (and Sasha. Sorry Maggie) because there's not much effort gone into making me think any of them are interesting as people. Gregory does amuse me sometimes, I will say that. But the people accepting shittiness under a leader is something we have seen again and again and again. It will be interesting to see if Gimple suddenly decides to start granting characters there with interesting personalities lol.
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