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Post by peachninja on Mar 10, 2017 22:29:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry to the admins if this doesn't belong here but I'm not sure where it would go (direct me if necessary!)
I have feelings and opinions about Norman Reedus that I wanted to share. So, obviously we know Daryl is known as "AMC's cash cow". The main reason I've seen from people, is because he's attractive. Very attractive. And I understand and agree. Norman Reedus is a gorgeous man, in my opinion.
But it seems as though people think that's all there is to his character. His looks. It makes me sad and frustrated that he's opened up about receiving some... questionable tweets from females, regarding sex and other innapropiate stuff. He's even said that stuff like that makes him uncomfortable. But do these girls/women care? Nope. Clearly not. Norman Reedus is extremely sexualized. He's treated as an object.
Fans ask if they can have sex with him, marry him, be his girlfriend and obviously some are joking but seriously, some are not.
Daryl is MORE than just attractive. I'm not a huge fan of Daryl just because of how he looks. I'm a fan of Daryl because he's good-hearted. He has a huge heart. I connect with his character on a personal level because I've suffered from abuse. I connect with his character in general. I'm a fan because he still has morals. He's never let them go, despite all the hell they've endured. He helps others, he's honest, he understands others, he's reserved but would die for anyone in the group, especially Carol. Daryl is a man, but a man with an incredible personality that I have sadly, not even experienced in my own life. I have never met a man as good and kind as Daryl is. And it's SAD that a CHARACTER is the best man I could personally come across. Norman Reedus is just as good. He's so sweet and kind to his fans, he's patient with them, he takes pictures with them, signs autographs, takes time with them even if he's in a rush. He donates, he loves his job, he treats people with respect, he helps people. Need I say more?
Daryl is someone with a beautiful personality and so is Norman. But I rarely see people appreciating his insides. I see people appreciating his outsides. I see people making crude, sexual remarks about his looks, how much they "love" him and want to marry him, etc.
That's not respectful to me. Women don't like being treated like this. However, women treat Norman like this. (Mostly younger girls/women perhaps). I feel like Norman deserves way more respect than he actually receives and we should spend more time appreciating the characters and the actor's personality versus giving them a sexual/physically attributed comment.
I know this happens to many of them, Jeffrey Dean Morgan included (you should hear some of the tweets he's received. It's disgusting), Andrew Lincoln, etc. But I think Norman Reedus has it the heaviest.
And it makes me sad because there's SO much more to his character and himself than his looks. I would be extremely upset if Daryl were killed off because the show wouldn't be the same without him. The group wouldn't be the same without him, Carol wouldn't. There would be something missing. Not because he's attractive but because Daryl is an extremely wonderful character who makes the world they live in, a better place. Just like Norman himself, participates in making the world we live in, a better place.
I would feel this way even if he looked like a gremlin. But others? Many of them wouldn't even pay attention to Daryl at that point. And that's just sad.
*Others may not be fans of Norman/Daryl and that's fine but this is my opinion. Just wanted somewhere to vent and share my thoughts and feelings on this.
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Post by Mia on Mar 11, 2017 9:54:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry to the admins if this doesn't belong here but I'm not sure where it would go (direct me if necessary!) I have feelings and opinions about Norman Reedus that I wanted to share. So, obviously we know Daryl is known as "AMC's cash cow". The main reason I've seen from people, is because he's attractive. Very attractive. And I understand and agree. Norman Reedus is a gorgeous man, in my opinion. But it seems as though people think that's all there is to his character. His looks. It makes me sad and frustrated that he's opened up about receiving some... questionable tweets from females, regarding sex and other innapropiate stuff. He's even said that stuff like that makes him uncomfortable. But do these girls/women care? Nope. Clearly not. Norman Reedus is extremely sexualized. He's treated as an object. Fans ask if they can have sex with him, marry him, be his girlfriend and obviously some are joking but seriously, some are not. Daryl is MORE than just attractive. I'm not a huge fan of Daryl just because of how he looks. I'm a fan of Daryl because he's good-hearted. He has a huge heart. I connect with his character on a personal level because I've suffered from abuse. I connect with his character in general. I'm a fan because he still has morals. He's never let them go, despite all the hell they've endured. He helps others, he's honest, he understands others, he's reserved but would die for anyone in the group, especially Carol. Daryl is a man, but a man with an incredible personality that I have sadly, not even experienced in my own life. I have never met a man as good and kind as Daryl is. And it's SAD that a CHARACTER is the best man I could personally come across. Norman Reedus is just as good. He's so sweet and kind to his fans, he's patient with them, he takes pictures with them, signs autographs, takes time with them even if he's in a rush. He donates, he loves his job, he treats people with respect, he helps people. Need I say more? Daryl is someone with a beautiful personality and so is Norman. But I rarely see people appreciating his insides. I see people appreciating his outsides. I see people making crude, sexual remarks about his looks, how much they "love" him and want to marry him, etc. That's not respectful to me. Women don't like being treated like this. However, women treat Norman like this. (Mostly younger girls/women perhaps). I feel like Norman deserves way more respect than he actually receives and we should spend more time appreciating the characters and the actor's personality versus giving them a sexual/physically attributed comment. I know this happens to many of them, Jeffrey Dean Morgan included (you should hear some of the tweets he's received. It's disgusting), Andrew Lincoln, etc. But I think Norman Reedus has it the heaviest. And it makes me sad because there's SO much more to his character and himself than his looks. I would be extremely upset if Daryl were killed off because the show wouldn't be the same without him. The group wouldn't be the same without him, Carol wouldn't. There would be something missing. Not because he's attractive but because Daryl is an extremely wonderful character who makes the world they live in, a better place. Just like Norman himself, participates in making the world we live in, a better place. I would feel this way even if he looked like a gremlin. But others? Many of them wouldn't even pay attention to Daryl at that point. And that's just sad. *Others may not be fans of Norman/Daryl and that's fine but this is my opinion. Just wanted somewhere to vent and share my thoughts and feelings on this. I agree 100% with all of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by booksrbetter on Mar 11, 2017 10:41:53 GMT -5
Norman Reedus is a B list celebrity. Unfortunately in this media mad world there are those among us who think that if you are in the public spotlight then you deserve to be overly criticized, sexualized, idealized, ect. Celebrities suffer from the madness of their fans. Some celebrities keep a low public profile to minimize their exposure to the public. Others revel in it thinking that any publicity is good for their bottom line. Consider Andrew Lincoln who has a low profile and Norman Reedus who is constantly in the media. I'm not saying that it is NR's fault that crazy ladies act out their weird fantasies but he is an easy target.
Norman Reedus is safe from me. I truly don't think he's attractive at all. Daryl was way more attractive in the first few seasons but he's really a hot mess now.
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Post by Meggo358 on Mar 11, 2017 13:37:08 GMT -5
I think many actors are able to control this kind of thing - Norman Reedus hasnt done much to put a stop to the craziness by minimizing his presence in the public eye and adjusting how he discusses his character in interviews.
I do think its a shame that any actor's value get reduced to their perceived attractiveness. I personally dont find norman reedus or daryl to be attractive in appearance or personality, so the obsession with him some have is hard for me to understand. But honestly, while I do see a ton of objectification I also see both the actor and character get enormous credit for plenty of things which dont seem completely warranted, so I have a hard time feeling that bad for him. There's plenty we dont know about these actors and the dynamics of their lives (actually, we dont really know anything) but I feel pretty damn confident that NR has had it the easiest out of all of the cast.
At the end of the day, I feel like he's an okay-ish model turned actor who got a super lucky break in his career a few years back and is making the most of it. It appears to me that while NR may say some of his interactions with fans make him uncomfortable, indulging them (and at times encouraging them) appears worth it to him to maintain his fan base.
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Mar 11, 2017 15:10:45 GMT -5
I think many actors are able to control this kind of thing - Norman Reedus hasnt done much to put a stop to the craziness by minimizing his presence in the public eye and adjusting how he discusses his character in interviews. I do think its a shame that any actor's value get reduced to their perceived attractiveness. I personally dont find norman reedus or daryl to be attractive in appearance or personality, so the obsession with him some have is hard for me to understand. But honestly, while I do see a ton of objectification I also see both the actor and character get enormous credit for plenty of things which dont seem completely warranted, so I have a hard time feeling that bad for him. There's plenty we dont know about these actors and the dynamics of their lives (actually, we dont really know anything) but I feel pretty damn confident that NR has had it the easiest out of all of the cast. At the end of the day, I feel like he's an okay-ish model turned actor who got a super lucky break in his career a few years back and is making the most of it. It appears to me that while NR may say some of his interactions with fans make him uncomfortable, indulging them (and at times encouraging them) appears worth it to him to maintain his fan base. Good points there. I admit, I do find NR (and sometimes Daryl attractive) but he's not my personal heartthrob (as v knows that would be Father Gabriel). NR does make an effort to be nice to his fans and I imagine he might get tired of it sometimes. He does tend to tell the same stories and because of the that (and because of some things he's said/done in public) he gets associated with a certain image that may not be 100% accurate. All said, I am a fan, but i appreciate the fact that I won't ever really know him and any interactions will be as fan and celebrity. Also it's none of my business who he has a relationship with in real life.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 11, 2017 15:34:51 GMT -5
There are big differences between Norman the actor and Daryl Dixon the character he plays. Just as with any actor/character. Some people love or loathe both, others prefer either the actor or character to their counter part. All of those are fine. As long as the topic doesnt turn into shaming those who don't worship both Reedus and Daryl, I'm ok with it. It was started in the Daryl area and it can stay here. But please remember that characters are not actors- keep this thread Daryl, not Norman-focused-please.
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Mar 11, 2017 15:59:26 GMT -5
There big differences between Norman the actor and Daryl Dixon the character he plays. Just as with any actor/character. Agreed.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 11, 2017 16:42:54 GMT -5
I fell in love with Daryl in season 2 not because of his looks (honestly he's not that physically attractive to me) but because there were layers to his character that when I thought I had him figured out he'd surprise me. When T-Dog thought he had found an ally in Daryl when trying to convince Rick to let the prisoners stay, Daryl flipped the script and left T-Dog hanging. It's still one of my favorite scenes. And the bad boy with a heart of gold trope has been overdone but Norman/Daryl found ways to make it fresh and interesting again. Like I said before, there were layers to him. On top of that, how Daryl treated Carol has always been in direct proportion to how much I admire his character.
I haven't been a fan of Norman since season 3, but I can still appreciate when he pulls off a good performance.
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Post by dandelioncherokee on Mar 11, 2017 16:44:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry to the admins if this doesn't belong here but I'm not sure where it would go (direct me if necessary!) I have feelings and opinions about Norman Reedus that I wanted to share. So, obviously we know Daryl is known as "AMC's cash cow". The main reason I've seen from people, is because he's attractive. Very attractive. And I understand and agree. Norman Reedus is a gorgeous man, in my opinion. But it seems as though people think that's all there is to his character. His looks. It makes me sad and frustrated that he's opened up about receiving some... questionable tweets from females, regarding sex and other innapropiate stuff. He's even said that stuff like that makes him uncomfortable. But do these girls/women care? Nope. Clearly not. Norman Reedus is extremely sexualized. He's treated as an object. Fans ask if they can have sex with him, marry him, be his girlfriend and obviously some are joking but seriously, some are not. Daryl is MORE than just attractive. I'm not a huge fan of Daryl just because of how he looks. I'm a fan of Daryl because he's good-hearted. He has a huge heart. I connect with his character on a personal level because I've suffered from abuse. I connect with his character in general. I'm a fan because he still has morals. He's never let them go, despite all the hell they've endured. He helps others, he's honest, he understands others, he's reserved but would die for anyone in the group, especially Carol. Daryl is a man, but a man with an incredible personality that I have sadly, not even experienced in my own life. I have never met a man as good and kind as Daryl is. And it's SAD that a CHARACTER is the best man I could personally come across. Norman Reedus is just as good. He's so sweet and kind to his fans, he's patient with them, he takes pictures with them, signs autographs, takes time with them even if he's in a rush. He donates, he loves his job, he treats people with respect, he helps people. Need I say more? Daryl is someone with a beautiful personality and so is Norman. But I rarely see people appreciating his insides. I see people appreciating his outsides. I see people making crude, sexual remarks about his looks, how much they "love" him and want to marry him, etc. That's not respectful to me. Women don't like being treated like this. However, women treat Norman like this. (Mostly younger girls/women perhaps). I feel like Norman deserves way more respect than he actually receives and we should spend more time appreciating the characters and the actor's personality versus giving them a sexual/physically attributed comment. I know this happens to many of them, Jeffrey Dean Morgan included (you should hear some of the tweets he's received. It's disgusting), Andrew Lincoln, etc. But I think Norman Reedus has it the heaviest. And it makes me sad because there's SO much more to his character and himself than his looks. I would be extremely upset if Daryl were killed off because the show wouldn't be the same without him. The group wouldn't be the same without him, Carol wouldn't. There would be something missing. Not because he's attractive but because Daryl is an extremely wonderful character who makes the world they live in, a better place. Just like Norman himself, participates in making the world we live in, a better place. I would feel this way even if he looked like a gremlin. But others? Many of them wouldn't even pay attention to Daryl at that point. And that's just sad. *Others may not be fans of Norman/Daryl and that's fine but this is my opinion. Just wanted somewhere to vent and share my thoughts and feelings on this. peachninja I agree with this 100%. Daryl Dixon is precious and will always come first for me. Norman Reedus is also an extremely talented and sadly extremely underrated actor. He may have his insecurities,but I believe he has the kindest heart. I wish for him to find a smart,interesting and honest woman that is able to ground him.A woman that has the ability to see the importance of his fanbase but keeps unaffected by Normans crazy fans and the haters.He obviously struggles to find that kind of genuine person at the moment.He does not lead an easy life.I adore how he handles it.
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Post by Meggo358 on Mar 11, 2017 17:01:46 GMT -5
I think many actors are able to control this kind of thing - Norman Reedus hasnt done much to put a stop to the craziness by minimizing his presence in the public eye and adjusting how he discusses his character in interviews. I do think its a shame that any actor's value get reduced to their perceived attractiveness. I personally dont find norman reedus or daryl to be attractive in appearance or personality, so the obsession with him some have is hard for me to understand. But honestly, while I do see a ton of objectification I also see both the actor and character get enormous credit for plenty of things which dont seem completely warranted, so I have a hard time feeling that bad for him. There's plenty we dont know about these actors and the dynamics of their lives (actually, we dont really know anything) but I feel pretty damn confident that NR has had it the easiest out of all of the cast. At the end of the day, I feel like he's an okay-ish model turned actor who got a super lucky break in his career a few years back and is making the most of it. It appears to me that while NR may say some of his interactions with fans make him uncomfortable, indulging them (and at times encouraging them) appears worth it to him to maintain his fan base. Good points there. I admit, I do find NR (and sometimes Daryl attractive) but he's not my personal heartthrob (as v knows that would be Father Gabriel). NR does make an effort to be nice to his fans and I imagine he might get tired of it sometimes. He does tend to tell the same stories and because of the that (and because of some things he's said/done in public) he gets associated with a certain image that may not be 100% accurate. All said, I am a fan, but i appreciate the fact that I won't ever really know him and any interactions will be as fan and celebrity. Also it's none of my business who he has a relationship with in real life. I think he's stellar with fans. I've never heard of anyone having a bad interaction with him, which - given his level of exposure to fan - says quite a lot. I think it's an interesting question peachninja raises about how some people might perceive Daryl/NR in more shallow terms and why. It's got to be a tough push and pull between wanting to indulge fans and wanting to be taken seriously.
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Mar 11, 2017 17:23:03 GMT -5
I think he's stellar with fans. I've never heard of anyone having a bad interaction with him, which - given his level of exposure to fan - says quite a lot. I think it's an interesting question peachninja raises about how some people might perceive Daryl/NR in more shallow terms and why. It's got to be a tough push and pull between wanting to indulge fans and wanting to be taken seriously. I'm thinking of the time at SDCC when he was asked what his favorite emoji was. I did have sympathy for him there.
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Post by murph on Mar 11, 2017 18:24:49 GMT -5
There's a few things here, and the NR discussion of if he's problematic or if he's hard done by is one been had many times and I think there's validity to both sides. I do not like the objectification of anybody, but there's also blatant reality here that frankly, a lot of that shit is on AMC. Chris Hardwick reduces him to a sexual object often, and AMC made the choice to release the trailer of naked Daryl, which we saw the gross reaction to. They enable it, encourage it, laugh about it. And they'll continue to because they know it works and will result in discussion, attention and money, like others in the industry. But there's also a difference between fan treatment of NR and other cast and there's reasons for that. I've found watching as people meet NR can allow you to judge humanity quite a bit, by some of the behaviour.
But the biggest thing here, though there is crossover, obviously, is that Daryl Dixon and Norman Reedus are not the same person. Norman Reedus does not deserve the respect someone has of Daryl. I mean, can we imagine Daryl Dixon actually having a conversation with Norman Reedus? I don't see much connection happening there. Plenty of people like Daryl but don't like NR so much. And that's fine because they are not the same person. Respect of NR's performance or for him simply giving existence to Daryl is a different thing. Daryl's earned the respect audience have for his character, he's the one that should get it. And seeing them as completely the same person to me is also disrespectful, whether it's because all anybody sees is his face, or his body. Both should be seen as who they are, but there's also a wide-ranged difficulty there because plenty of audience don't know anything about NR other than 'Daryl Dixon'.
I think NR's a nice guy. He's good with fans and gives a lot of effort. And I'm glad he plays Daryl. He does it well, I think. And I think he wants to be a nice guy, I think he is ultimately a good guy. But it's not that simple. I wish he'd hire better PR management, because I think there's a lot that could be done to help him. That includes telling AMC and Chris Hardwick to pipe the fuck down, because he does react negatively to it. Personally I don't understand the opinion that he's attractive but recognise it's an opinion that many seem to have.
Daryl, I like a lot. For lots of reasons. Though again, not for any kind of perception of "hotness". But he's always held my attention. Sometimes I've thought better of him than other times. I miss early Daryl sometimes. I don't think he'll be killed off ever. And personally, I'm happy about that.
The cash cow reality isn't just his perceived physical attractiveness. It's because he's a marketable package. He is "hot", he's the good guy but a little bit bad and emotionally stunted cliche bullshit, he has easy gimmicks like his motorbike and crossbow, he's a badass and impressive in skill. It's not just the straight fangirls his stuff sells to. Plenty of straight dudes like him too. He is sellable, because he's likable.
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Post by Meggo358 on Mar 11, 2017 19:46:10 GMT -5
I think he's stellar with fans. I've never heard of anyone having a bad interaction with him, which - given his level of exposure to fan - says quite a lot. I think it's an interesting question peachninja raises about how some people might perceive Daryl/NR in more shallow terms and why. It's got to be a tough push and pull between wanting to indulge fans and wanting to be taken seriously. I'm thinking of the time at SDCC when he was asked what his favorite emoji was. I did have sympathy for him there. I still can never really have sympathy for someone who makes so much money, but thats how I feel about pretty much all actors at NRs level. Still, I totally get what you mean, and I think that was actually more of a sad reflection on not giving NR much to do with his character around that time. For how blunt I am about my lack of affection for daryl/nr I do think if you're going to be on a TV show as a main character, you really should be having a decent story along the way. Questions around emojis, favorite foods, favorite colors, etc., should never happen. Thats on the writers.
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Post by peachninja on Mar 11, 2017 19:57:45 GMT -5
I think he's stellar with fans. I've never heard of anyone having a bad interaction with him, which - given his level of exposure to fan - says quite a lot. I think it's an interesting question peachninja raises about how some people might perceive Daryl/NR in more shallow terms and why. It's got to be a tough push and pull between wanting to indulge fans and wanting to be taken seriously. I'm thinking of the time at SDCC when he was asked what his favorite emoji was. I did have sympathy for him there. That honestly made me feel sad a little. He was like "seriously, everyone else gets all these deep questions and I get questions about emoji's?"
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