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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Dec 22, 2016 15:43:07 GMT -5
After recovering from her injuries, Carol has tried to carve out a solitary life for herself, away from The Kingdom and Alexandria, free from the conflicts of either. In a way, she reminds of Rick after The Group repelled the second attack by The Governor in season three. Rick was very content at the start of season four, happily farming with Hershel and Carl and desperately trying to distance himself from the “Crazytown” Rick he’d become after Lori died. He was trying so hard to be free from the violence, that he even stopped wearing his gun outside The Prison’s walls. However, as people began getting sick with The Flu, dying, turning, and attacking others, Carol reminded Rick that, no matter how much he might want to, he couldn’t avoid the violent world they now inhabited; As she so succinctly put it “You can be a farmer, Rick. You can’t just be a farmer.” I believe someone, perhaps Rick himself, needs to give Carol a similar pep talk. While her objective is admirable, the circumstances are quite unique. LinkIt didn't dawn on me until I read this article from Undead Walking that Carol's having her "farmer" moment. Still don't like it and think it's been poorly executed, but it falls in line with Gimple's love for repeating themes. What say, y'all?
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Post by murph on Dec 22, 2016 16:10:03 GMT -5
Yes and Yes.
And there has been at least a couple specific Carick scene re-dos since Gimple took over. Tombs hug - No Sanctuary hug. Sophia road talk - Maggie road talk. Watch - watch, obviously. Anything else? I bet there's something in early Alexandria. There's got to be.
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Post by booksrbetter on Dec 22, 2016 17:55:26 GMT -5
Rick didn't listen to Carol. In fact, he left her with a old Taurus and went back to the prison. Passive-aggresssive? Rick was/is a rageacholic. He nearly beat Tyreese to death after they found Kavid. He was hiding from his true self when he was hiding in the pea patch. He doesn't hate himself for being violent. Think of Pete and Rick rolling around the streets of Alexandria. Carol only called him out because she knew he wasn't just a farmer. Carol on the other hand was submissive and weak when we met her. Then she morphed into Rambo Carol. So maybe Rick will have to tell her that she just can't be cooking making Carol.
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Post by Meggo358 on Dec 22, 2016 19:09:52 GMT -5
Rick didn't listen to Carol. In fact, he left her with a old Taurus and went back to the prison. Passive-aggresssive? Rick was/is a rageacholic. He nearly beat Tyreese to death after they found Kavid. He was hiding from his true self when he was hiding in the pea patch. He doesn't hate himself for being violent. Think of Pete and Rick rolling around the streets of Alexandria. Carol only called him out because she knew he wasn't just a farmer. Carol on the other hand was submissive and weak when we met her. Then she morphed into Rambo Carol. So maybe Rick will have to tell her that she just can't be cooking making Carol. To me the point of this part of the article isn't about whether you personally like Rick or not but the fact that, as Sexual Chocolate pointed out that Carol is having her "farmer" moment. It's annoying as hell, unnecessary and poorly executed, but it's reasonable to draw that comparison and think he might have a similar talk with her at some point about reconciling what her ideal might be vs what the reality is (though I sure hope sitting alone forever isn't carols ideal!)
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Dec 23, 2016 2:14:40 GMT -5
Rick didn't listen to Carol. In fact, he left her with a old Taurus and went back to the prison. Passive-aggresssive? Rick was/is a rageacholic. He nearly beat Tyreese to death after they found Kavid. He was hiding from his true self when he was hiding in the pea patch. He doesn't hate himself for being violent. Think of Pete and Rick rolling around the streets of Alexandria. Carol only called him out because she knew he wasn't just a farmer. Carol on the other hand was submissive and weak when we met her. Then she morphed into Rambo Carol. So maybe Rick will have to tell her that she just can't be cooking making Carol. To me the point of this part of the article isn't about whether you personally like Rick or not but the fact that, as Sexual Chocolate pointed out that Carol is having her "farmer" moment. It's annoying as hell, unnecessary and poorly executed, but it's reasonable to draw that comparison and think he might have a similar talk with her at some point about reconciling what her ideal might be vs what the reality is (though I sure hope sitting alone forever isn't carols ideal!) I would love for Rick to return the line to her, but that seems a little too logical for The Gimp. I think maybe Richard's speech to both Carol and Morgan is a version of you can't just be a farmer.
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Post by scarletbegonias on Dec 23, 2016 9:20:56 GMT -5
I see the similarities between S4 Farmer Rick and Carol right now. They were/are both emotionally tapped, and both are trying to hide from reality by making these unsustainable life choices. Rick could no more stay a farmer than Carol can stay alone in that yellow house, this life will find them no matter what they do.
I'm not so thrilled with the idea that Rick give her the pep talk, though. He's not in the best emotional state right now and he recently needed a pep talk to see reality, himself. If they are going for this connection, then to me it would be better if Carol returns to the group and Rick asks, "What brought you back?" and she responds, "Remember when we were raiding that house and I told you that you couldn't just be a farmer? Well, I can't just be alone while my family is still out here
I'd really like to see her make a decision based upon self-determination, make her choice to return be because she wants to be there.
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Post by Ripley on Dec 23, 2016 10:02:54 GMT -5
Rick and Carol have often paralleled themselves in previous seasons. I agree this is Carol's "farmer phase" and perhaps Rick will somehow jolt her back to reality just as she did him in 'Indifference'.
Carol's choice to self-isolate by disappearing within the The Kingdom is a short0luved desire for peace, quiet and a break from having to care about anyone. We know she will get back to being herself in 7-b given that filming spoilers place herwith King Ezekiel, Morgan, and others from the Kingdom, dressed in battle "armor" and heading off to the meeting with Rick and others
I'm looking forward to seeing Carol more like herself again, but not necessarily "badass" although I know the general audience and fandom want to see that Carol again.
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Post by dark sister on Dec 23, 2016 11:46:59 GMT -5
I've blocked out S4 to the point where I didn't even catch this comparison. I've often thought that Carol's current phase is Michonne's comic pirate one, but it is also Rick's farmer phase. She does need that pep talk. Rick left her out on her own, and she left Alexandria on their own too.
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Post by v on Dec 23, 2016 13:51:25 GMT -5
Rick and Carol have often paralleled themselves in previous seasons. I agree this is Carol's "farmer phase" and perhaps Rick will somehow jolt her back to reality just as she did him in 'Indifference'. Carol's choice to self-isolate by disappearing within the The Kingdom is a short0luved desire for peace, quiet and a break from having to care about anyone. We know she will get back to being herself in 7-b given that filming spoilers place herwith King Ezekiel, Morgan, and others from the Kingdom, dressed in battle "armor" and heading off to the meeting with Rick and others I'm looking forward to seeing Carol more like herself again, but not necessarily "badass" although I know the general audience and fandom want to see that Carol again. Rick and Carol do parallel each other often and I do see this as her "farmer Carol" bit. (hopefully this is her version of the pirate Michonne stuff from the comics because ummm not wanting to see that play out) Part of this self isolation (IMO) goes back to what she said to him in indifference about her idea of being Happy was not being alone and his comment that she was no longer the woman that was afraid to be alone. In many ways I see Rick and carol's tv relationship mirroring Rick and Michonne's comic relationship.
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Post by reckon on Dec 23, 2016 19:36:15 GMT -5
Rick read Carol's note in which she mentioned the banishment. I'd love to see a scene where Rick and Carol talk about that, and Lizzie and Judith at the Grove. After some catharsis for both characters, Rick could mention what Carol said to him, that he can't "just be a farmer", reminding her no one can avoid the realities of the new world. This, and learning about Glenn and Abe, would motivate Carol to rejoin the fight and her family. I love to see AL and MMB with material like this.
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Post by Starlight on Dec 23, 2016 20:41:34 GMT -5
I hated the farmer Rick arc and I hate this Carol arc too.. but both Characters have been parallelled since season 4. But I really don't think it will be Rick giving Carol the "you can't be a farmer speech " that conversation will be given to Yoda (zzz) and I will have zero interest in it.
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