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Post by MorganBGone on Dec 20, 2016 7:25:04 GMT -5
Special thanks to gumby713 for pointing me toward this season 7 review. MATT MOLGAARD December 19, 2016 Two years ago I was prepared to declare, that with a few more remarkable seasons, AMC’s THE WALKING DEAD would deserve to be recognized as one of the greatest television series’ in history. Then along came the uneven season six with the sketchiest cliffhanger we’ve seen, and season seven feels like it’s going through the motions with little passion in the gas tank. AMC seems to be content to bury the series in an over-saturation of terrible ideas and ill-advised expansion, and season seven is hurting severely as a result. THE WALKING DEAD is a landmark piece and no spiral can change what’s already been accomplished. But the ride may end sooner than expected (for some), and that’s a result of AMC’s determination to not only shoot its own foot, but blow all of its toes clean off. Here are a few ideas as to why season seven has, thus far, been terrible... link
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Post by scarletbegonias on Dec 20, 2016 8:46:15 GMT -5
With a few minor disagreements, I'd have to say that this writer gets it. I don't have much else to say about it because it is hitting every point many of us have been discussing throughout this season.
You know what struck me while reading this article? from GA to VA, our survivors have come across only 2 communities, Woodbury and Terminus; now we suddenly have 5 separate but relatively close groups and how in the world did Aiden and Nicholas manage to avoid them-they did get 50 miles out, right? I knew they were spreading the story out way too thin, but seeing in in print makes it seem...preposterous!
Whoops! I forgot about Grady, how the devil did I do that, LOL!
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Post by Ripley on Dec 20, 2016 9:05:41 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing this MorganBGone , I find it very interesting that the article focuses on episodes, which shows other than the Negan point, that it is the story and writing mostly at fault here. Fallout from the showing so many communities is that Aaron, Eric & Daryl look bad for not knowing or discovering these groups during previous scouting. If they knew nothing, and the communities are so close, how was it Aaron and Eric found then so far south of Alexandria? The logic fails so the result is characters look stupid simply because of plot holes and poor writing. Apply that theorem to every other point & it still holds IMO.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Dec 20, 2016 13:34:42 GMT -5
Except his dislike for King Ezekiel and general love for the premiere, I mostly agree with him.
The sentence above sums up nicely my main problem with what they're doing to Carol. I don't buy that this is where she finds herself 2 years into the ZA. Ed's mental and physical abusive didn't break her. Her daughter's death didn't do it either, but now I'm supposed to believe that all Carol wants to do is sit in a house, read magazines, and eat pomegranates, while forgetting about the people who became her family? Get out of here!
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Post by Ripley on Dec 20, 2016 14:12:34 GMT -5
Sexual Chocolate and I were talking recently about a more reasonable time for Carol to break down and that would have been after Sophia's death or after Tyreese died. Even though he wanted The Grove events kept secret, he was another person who knew and shared the burden with Carol. After his death, in 5.09, Carol had no one with whom to share that crushing burden with-no one who had lived it with her I mean and shared the horrific memories of discovering Mika's body and the rats. Sexual Chocolate mentioned to me the idea of Carol going into the woods alone and howling her grief, which makes sense IMO plus is a powerful image had we actually seen it. For me it feels odd the writers waited so long for Carol to feel it and have her breakdown moments as we saw in S 6 so intensely. Weeks on ZA time, but a full 2 years for the viewers. Gimple forgets that viewer real-time matters more than show time: one week between the end of Jessick ( Jessrick?) and Richonne going canon, Glenn and Abe being dead for a year for TPTB and cast, but only Dead for weeks to viewers. The fact TPTB and cast moved on and did their grieving before viewers knew who the LV were, led to some disconnects imo, e.g. Viewers wanting to see how Maggie and Sasha were doing afterwards and got frustrated having to wait 4 episodes to see them again. Gimple needs to remember that his feelings don't matter in terms if time and grief -viewers feelings should also be considered to a reasonable degree. Since ratings have dropped sharper since the premiere it is clear TPTB didn't listen. Shocker. I do agree that if Sophia's death didn't break Carol , nothing will break her fully.
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Post by Meggo358 on Dec 20, 2016 14:19:07 GMT -5
Except his dislike for King Ezekiel and general love for the premiere, I mostly agree with him. The sentence above sums up nicely my main problem with what they're doing to Carol. I don't buy that this is where she finds herself 2 years into the ZA. Ed's mental and physical abusive didn't break her. Her daughter's death didn't do it either, but now I'm supposed to believe that all Carol wants to do is sit in a house, read magazines, and eat pomegranates, while forgetting about the people who became her family? Get out of here! yeah carols story makes no sense - the story of why she can't kill in even the most obvious self defense situations all of the sudden wasn't told. She woke up one night, made a list, kissed a loser and that was the end of Carol doing what needs to be done. And while I can easily argue that it's been a long time since Carol has been a part of TF in any concrete way, I don't get the logic at all behind the idea that she has to leave if she doesn't want to kill. The decision to reverse engineer her development to be she where is now baffling, but I guess she needed to be sidelined given that (a) I don't buy at all that Carol could take negan out in 42 minute if she were at 100% and (b) more time was obviously needed for negan to make jokes about overweight people. Priorities, right?
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Dec 20, 2016 14:35:26 GMT -5
Kissed a loser. She's leaves ASZ because she can't stand to kill anymore, but before heading out sews a semi automatic in her sleeve. She wants to be left alone, but chooses to stay in a house that's accessible by every Tom, Dick, and Morgan.
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Post by walkingdeadrules on Dec 20, 2016 14:41:15 GMT -5
While I don't agree with all, there is so much of this that resonates with me and I think BOTH the dedicated fans and casual viewers. Jumping from community to community, splitting up the core characters and not having them interact, taking your most talented actor and sidelining them in a storyline that would only have made sense 2 years prior, taking your two alpha males and reducing them to sniveling, crying wimps while killing off the other two alpha males of the group. Knowing that Negan is going to make it alive out of Season 7, there are going to be a lot of people looking for a payoff story that won't happen. I vote for them to reshoot the finale and have Sasha's plan work and result in the death of Negan. It's not like he's doing much of anything in the comics now anyway!
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Post by Starlight on Dec 20, 2016 14:48:33 GMT -5
I agree with all the points in this article. SG completely and utterly miscalculated everything single thing in 7a. And 7b will probably end up being a disaster to. The show should have had Maggie'sand Sasha's episode way earlier than instead of dragging it out to episode 5. The fandom seem to love Ezekiel/ The Kindgom.But the show lost 700k after The Well. Dwight isn't sympathetic manly because the writers are still having him do shit things,and AA is limited acting wise. Negan just isn't working on the screen as he did in the comics. Carol's arc is a complete and utter mess. Her story in season 6 was hated and confused people. And SG answer was to continue the mess through the whole of season 7. > Rick being Negan’s bitch is just stupid.We saw how Rick handled Joe and Gareth. Yet we are supppose to buy that he is afraid Negan.
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Post by booksrbetter on Dec 20, 2016 18:40:49 GMT -5
Got to agree that Carol hasn't made sense lately. It would make sense that the Lizzie/Mika death tore her heart out of body. Her heart was broken by the time she went to Atlanta looking for Beth with Daryl. Gimple should have let her talk about it with Daryl and then let her move on. (with him) Instead we go back to the endless loop of whiny Daryl and Carol acting unnaturally. Rick giving in to Negan? Doesn't everybody hate that? I agree with most of what he said. We could all add to the list. What do I hate this season? 1. Morgan and Carol being separated from the others for so long. 2. Rick taking half the season to grow a pair and only when Michonne has to give him a pep talk. 3. Negan-He's an unnoxious ass. He is the guy who shows up at Thanksgiving and Christmas that you have to put up with him because he married your niece. The one you contemplate poisoning.... not to actually carry it out though...just wishful thinking...maybe 4. Glenn being dead. 5. Too much Tara, Enid, Carl, Rosita, and Spencer 6. Daryl being a dumb ass who hit Negan. Negan had just beaten Abraham to death so it wasn't like Daryl didn't know he was cold blooded murderer
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Post by Mia on Dec 20, 2016 22:29:43 GMT -5
Gimple needs to wipe out his memory of Michonne's comic arc. It was shitty in the comics and is ever more shitty with Carol on the show. He should have nixed it and did something different with Carol. I think he got lazy with writing for Carol and thought ah I need to check the box next to Michonne's comic arc. And Carol was the unlucky loser. It should have went to Sasha.
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Post by v on Dec 21, 2016 0:09:54 GMT -5
Carol's arc in 6-7a perfectly highlights my comments about forcing a character to fit a story instead of crafting a story to fit a character. We know she was stuck in a holding pattern but her arc really doesn't makes sense for her character. It could have worked if they had done it with more care, maybe if we had SEEN her slowly slide into the downward spiral shown her struggle in 5b, which would have been fitting with what she had in 5a, but instead we got the mess they have made of her arc. Knowing that part of it was the availability of Lennie doesn't help, tbh. If we are scratchin our heads (and this is coming from someone that will defend Carol to the death) imagine how the ga sees it. What did they see? Carol was for all intents "fine" in 5b, kicked ass in 6a but then "I can't kill"? she had no problem killing to protect Maggie, sewing a gun in her sleeve and taking out a bunch of saviors. Daryl was also put in pretty much the same holding pattern in 5b on. He got pretty much the exact same arc with Denise as he got with Beth to put him in the exact same head space. ( Carol and the wolves= Carol and terminus) . I will add that while I have no problem with men showing their emotions, weepy Daryl leaves me cold and I really would offer up all the pay checks I ever earn to NOT see it again.
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