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Post by v on Nov 20, 2016 4:42:08 GMT -5
I lost my innocence very young and it had nothing to do with sex. I saw this quote on Tumblr and it made me think of Carl. While he is not a favorite character of mine, I can't help but feel for him. In the two years since the ZA started he has lost
Shane, someone that he had known his how life and connected with. Dale, a death that he feels responsible for. Herschel, a grandfather of sorts Beth, one of his few peers Lori, which was IMO the hardest lost he suffered.
he has also lost his home a few times over, his original home, the farm, the prison and now Negan has basically taken over ASZ.
He has watched his father break down several times and has spent way to much time alone.
At roughly the age of 12/13 he had to take on a man's responsibility and give up his childhood.
the scene with him and the ASZ kids when he first arrived still sticks with me. By that point he has forgotten how to be a "Kid".
On top of all of this, Carl is also in the grip of puberty (god help us all).
Anyone got other specific moments that cost Carl his innocence?
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Post by gioia on Nov 20, 2016 5:28:09 GMT -5
In these later seasons I have grown to really like Carl. I didn't care too much for him in the Farm season, but he's had to endure so much. I'm so happy that he has a Dad like Rick or who knows what would have happened to Carl. I love their relationship. He's witnessed brutal murder (not just death) over and over so of course innocence wouldn't survive that kind of trauma. He has become colder because this way of life has become normalized for him. This is really him exploring and learning of the world for the first time. All the events you named, especially killing his mother, have shaped him for the good and the bad. He has less of an emotion connection because he is a child. His brain and emotions are still forming.
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Post by nana on Nov 20, 2016 8:25:23 GMT -5
It is interesting you bring this up because yesterday I was wondering how Lori would have fared if she had survived. Would she have hung onto her humanity like Glenn? That was an important thing for her... not just for her but for Carl. She talked about how he is growing cold. I think Carl would have been in a strugge to have his mom watching over him and to endure all he is enduring.
He also shot a young man in the head at the prison. That to me was when Carl really went dark... watching Lori die definitely was traumatic and there was no way he was going to recover from that emotionally... but when he shot the boy and had no remorse or empathy for it I thought that just showed where Carl was going. He seems to have come back from that extreme and become more pragmatic.
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Post by dark sister on Nov 20, 2016 9:40:31 GMT -5
The scene with the Claimers and with Lucille were definitely "loss of innocence" moments in my eyes as well.
I like Carl, I didn't from Seasons 1-3 but S4 changed my view on him completely and now he's towards the top of my favorite list. It's interesting to see how children cope with the ZA. The only child story I never cared for was Beth's, But Carl's, Lizzie and Mika's, and even Enid's were good.
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Post by Ripley on Nov 20, 2016 9:42:41 GMT -5
Carl is a favorite of mine and I feel a lot of empathy for him now that his disfigurement has happened on the show. Carl has already grown acustomed to the people around him side-eyeing him and thinking him a "monster" for killing Jody at the battle for the prison in 'Welcome To The Tombs' . Hershel was clear about his feelings with Carl and I am sure that others worried about Carl during the six months of his "rehabilitation" between seasons 304.
He wasn't allowed to use a weapon, worked closely with Rick on the gardens and livestock care, and was clearly in disgrace. As new people came to the prison, I'm sure they heard things about Carl and possibly cut a wide berth around him.
Carl was no longer a child, able to be satisified with 'Story Time' like Patrick, and in fact was asked by Carol (a rare mistake on her part IMO) to actively keep secret from RIck how she was teaching the children to use knives.
Let me be clear- I think Carol's teaching was great and necesary for the kids, no doubt. But asking a child to keep a big, potentially controversial secret from his only parent complicated that relationship until Carl confessed to Rick. I think the kids should have been taught defense and knife use- openly and with the parent's knowledge. But, the parents at the prison seemed more invested in trying to give those children - Like, Molly, Lizzie and Mika- a sense of some vestiage of childhood so likely some parents would not have agreed.
So Carl has always, after Sophia's death, been an outsider in the very group to which he belonged in some ways. After the prison and on the road, he was an adult in a child's body in many ways, which remained the case when he got to Alexandria. Mikey, (who disappeared after Nichilas' death lol) Ron and Enid were still trying to be teens with video games, art projects and more. Enid also didn't fit into the typical teen mold because of all she has done to survive after the death of her parents. Another reason she and Carl are well matched.
Losing his eye thanks to Ron's gunshot has left Carl now with a huge disfigurement which separates him from most other people. He now has some aspects of the "monster" he once described himself to Michonne as being. Sure, the ASZ folks and Rick's group love Carl or like him and are used to his face.
But remember when he opted not to go to Hilltop the first time saying he didn't want his face to be an issue- it shows he is aware of how much his disfigurement separates him from other people. On some level, he has been forever changed in a way which most people find more horrible than his simply losing an arm or a leg. He is likely to be defined by hi s disfigurement- any ne with a disability knows how hard it becomes when some limitation or difference defines a person more than their personality and who they are on the inside.
In the comic, he finds a young woman who has a fetish aboout his eye socket so it works out for him for a while. Enid seems tt have no problems accepting Carl as he is. But strangers will stare and whisper his story amongst themselves or he will be known as "that kid/guy who got shot in the face and lost his eye" from now on so is isolation continues in the way- of his being defined by his disfigurement in some instances. Eventually in the comic, Carl works through this is many ways through his continued stoicism and determination to build a new life for himself away from Rick and via his blacksmith training- work usually done alone and away from others btw. So for me, Carl's biggest final loss of innocence comes with the accidental loss of his eye and part of his face.
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Post by nana on Nov 20, 2016 10:01:03 GMT -5
So far they have managed, for me, to keep the disfigurement a non-issue. It is Carl with a bandage hiding all gross deformity at bay. Nice looking kid with an eye patch. So I can see why Carl feels awkward and an outsider but it hasn't had any affect like that for me.
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