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Post by poisonivy on Oct 19, 2016 11:04:25 GMT -5
I think I hate Ford now more than Logan. His behavior towards the hosts this episode was appalling, in ep. 1 and 2 I took him for a curious and kind man, but now it looks like he really wants to 'block' the hosts from evolving and treats them like props Same. he's right up there with MIB at this point. I am still sure MiB didn't rape Dolores. He is gonna turn out to be a hero who wants to liberate the hosts you'll see *wraps herself in tinfoil*
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Post by dark sister on Oct 19, 2016 11:23:55 GMT -5
Same. he's right up there with MIB at this point. I am still sure MiB didn't rape Dolores. He is gonna turn out to be a hero who wants to liberate the hosts you'll see *wraps herself in tinfoil* He looks pretty rapey lol
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Post by MorganBGone on Oct 19, 2016 11:57:13 GMT -5
I am still sure MiB didn't rape Dolores. He is gonna turn out to be a hero who wants to liberate the hosts you'll see *wraps herself in tinfoil* He looks pretty rapey lol And Dolores's reaction to Ogg's character in the barn looked like a remarkably PTSD-esque response... but who knows? It's early days yet.
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Post by poisonivy on Oct 19, 2016 13:45:00 GMT -5
I am still sure MiB didn't rape Dolores. He is gonna turn out to be a hero who wants to liberate the hosts you'll see *wraps herself in tinfoil* He looks pretty rapey lol
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Post by MorganBGone on Oct 23, 2016 22:54:20 GMT -5
While Westworld is no GoT, I'm glad I watched it tonight, rather than TWD. Maeve was back (yay!), and Teddy was limited (double yay!). I'm starting to become more intrigued by Anthony Hopkins's character despite finding him not particularly likeable. All that said, I think part of what I liked about ep 2 was the way it showed us the guests as they entered Westworld, giving us a sense of who they were outside that world and how they viewed it going in. I'm not sure if we'll get more of that or whether we've now been introduced to the majority of the main players for the season. From a morality standpoint, the "they're robots" defense made an appearance, and this makes for an interesting debate, though not one, I think, that ultimately favours those motivated to abuse the robots just because they can in "the game".
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Post by dark sister on Oct 23, 2016 23:04:13 GMT -5
MorganBGone I laughed to myself when Teddy's only appearance was him tied to a tree. I knew you'd love that. I'm really intrigued by The MIB's "foundation." He probably runs some childhood cancer research facility, something really good as a contrast to how much of a fuck he is in Westworld.
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Post by MorganBGone on Oct 23, 2016 23:12:48 GMT -5
MorganBGone I laughed to myself when Teddy's only appearance was him tied to a tree. I knew you'd love that. I'm really intrigued by The MIB's "foundation." He probably runs some childhood cancer research facility, something really good as a contrast to how much of a fuck he is in Westworld. That was definitely what I took away from that re: MIB. Where he's concerned, I still find myself just wanting him dead, regardless of what good he has done in the "real" world. I'm not sure that "it's a robot" would serve as a very reassuring defense in the minds of many where rape is concerned (assuming he is as rapey as he seems). Where is the line between fantasy and reality on that one? I'm not sure I care to see him stick around for that particular discusion to evolve.
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Post by dark sister on Oct 24, 2016 0:07:59 GMT -5
MorganBGone I laughed to myself when Teddy's only appearance was him tied to a tree. I knew you'd love that. I'm really intrigued by The MIB's "foundation." He probably runs some childhood cancer research facility, something really good as a contrast to how much of a fuck he is in Westworld. That was definitely what I took away from that re: MIB. Where he's concerned, I still find myself just wanting him dead, regardless of what good he has done in the "real" world. I'm not sure that "it's a robot" would serve as a very reassuring defense in the minds of many where rape is concerned (assuming he is as rapey as he seems). Where is the line between fantasy and reality on that one? I'm not sure I care to see him stick around for that particular discusion to evolve. I've wanted him dead ever since he dragged Dolores off to the barn.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 24, 2016 9:03:21 GMT -5
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Westworld
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Post by poisonivy on Oct 25, 2016 5:41:46 GMT -5
While Westworld is no GoT, I'm glad I watched it tonight, rather than TWD. Maeve was back (yay!), and Teddy was limited (double yay!). I'm starting to become more intrigued by Anthony Hopkins's character despite finding him not particularly likeable. All that said, I think part of what I liked about ep 2 was the way it showed us the guests as they entered Westworld, giving us a sense of who they were outside that world and how they viewed it going in. I'm not sure if we'll get more of that or whether we've now been introduced to the majority of the main players for the season. From a morality standpoint, the "they're robots" defense made an appearance, and this makes for an interesting debate, though not one, I think, that ultimately favours those motivated to abuse the robots just because they can in "the game". Oh for me it is far and above GoT already. The levels of sophistication and themes explored here are not something one finds in the land of bad pussy. The chemistry between the actors was especially awesome this week and I liked that tge episode had so many moments of pure western fun as opposed to last week which was quite grim
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Post by dark sister on Oct 26, 2016 8:57:49 GMT -5
Evan Rachel Wood is an underrated actress. She's been giving amazing performances for years. I'm glad Westworld is giving her a platform for more to see it.
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Post by poisonivy on Oct 27, 2016 8:45:03 GMT -5
Evan Rachel Wood is an underrated actress. She's been giving amazing performances for years. I'm glad Westworld is giving her a platform for more to see it. I still don't understand how Stone was nominated for Birdman when Wood did what she did except better years before in The Wrestler
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Post by dark sister on Oct 27, 2016 9:14:00 GMT -5
Evan Rachel Wood is an underrated actress. She's been giving amazing performances for years. I'm glad Westworld is giving her a platform for more to see it. I still don't understand how Stone was nominated for Birdman when Wood did what she did except better years before in The Wrestler Birdman was the flashier movie. Honestly, she should've been nominated for Thirteen. She had a Globe nom and Holly Hunter scored an Oscar nom, Evan should've been right there with her.
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Post by dark sister on Oct 27, 2016 9:46:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the article poisonivy! I really like how they point out how HBO grows its audience compared to all the ads AMC buys for TWD. "You knew this was going to happen: HBO’s Westworld took a whack in the ratings from going head to head against hugely anticipated season premiere of The Walking Dead.
The fourth episode of the sci-fi drama dipped 19 percent to 1.7 million viewers on Sunday night. Considering that TWD is, like Westworld, a high-concept cable genre drama, and had about 17 million viewers – its second-biggest audience ever – the Westworld decline is actually not too shabby.
Westworld hasn’t yet received a second season renewal, but we’re not worried. The series premiere has now been seen by 12 million viewers, which is considered very high for HBO – that’s more than any episode of Game of Thrones during its first season. And the third Westworld had the show’s largest overnight audience yet, 2.1 million viewers, bouncing back after the second episode aired against a presidential debate. That rebound was considered a promising sign that the show’s audience was growing (at least, until Negan and his baseball bat came around).
Since HBO isn’t selling ads, the important measurement is how many people cumulatively watch their shows, not how many watch new episodes the first time they air at 9 p.m. on Sundays. So Westworld should be just fine even if TWD keeps batting away at it in the weeks to come as long as fans still catch up on the latest action in Sweetwater each week after their TWD PTSD wears off. " www.ew.com/article/2016/10/25/westworld-ratings-walking-dead
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2016 14:30:42 GMT -5
Finally, the article I've waiting to read. "...On “Westworld,” viewers have yet to see how “these violent delights have violent ends,” as some of the futuristic park’s androids are fond of saying. But we have seen those delights enjoyed, primarily, by violent men. Where are all the female guests in Westworld? Only a handful have cropped up so far in the frontier adventureland based on an admittedly white male-centric period of American history: A woman with her husband, who poses with an outlaw host he’d just shot dead for a photo memory of their vacation. A woman in pants (accompanied by Teddy, who has been killed hundreds of times) is led upstairs by one of the Mariposa saloon’s employees. A woman with her small family who happen upon Dolores (who has been raped hundreds of times) painting horses in a field. Most guests have been straight men getting their kicks from killing and having sex with lifelike robots. But Westworld certainly seems like a land of equal opportunity, its narratives blind to gender, race and background. In the town saloon, a madam named Maeve is shown drinking and speaking Japanese with guests. The family that bumps into Dolores is black and presumably free to take part in any storyline they please. So what gives? Surely more than a few women would also pay for the thrill of playing the hero of a Sweetwater town shootout or for the freedom to disregard the law without real-life consequences. Surely some would go white-hat, some black-hat. (And surely the park could scrounge up some more male prostitutes for its straight female guests, too.) ..." www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/where-are-all-the-women-guests-on-westworld_us_58127870e4b0990edc302c07
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Post by poisonivy on Oct 30, 2016 8:30:26 GMT -5
This SJW PC garbage :/ A woman is a main character on the show, we saw female guests but nooo, not enough. And if they showed a woman guest raping and killing the same 'journalists' would say the show is sexist because of that.
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Post by dark sister on Oct 30, 2016 10:03:45 GMT -5
Finally, the article I've waiting to read. "...On “Westworld,” viewers have yet to see how “these violent delights have violent ends,” as some of the futuristic park’s androids are fond of saying. But we have seen those delights enjoyed, primarily, by violent men. Where are all the female guests in Westworld? Only a handful have cropped up so far in the frontier adventureland based on an admittedly white male-centric period of American history: A woman with her husband, who poses with an outlaw host he’d just shot dead for a photo memory of their vacation. A woman in pants (accompanied by Teddy, who has been killed hundreds of times) is led upstairs by one of the Mariposa saloon’s employees. A woman with her small family who happen upon Dolores (who has been raped hundreds of times) painting horses in a field. Most guests have been straight men getting their kicks from killing and having sex with lifelike robots. But Westworld certainly seems like a land of equal opportunity, its narratives blind to gender, race and background. In the town saloon, a madam named Maeve is shown drinking and speaking Japanese with guests. The family that bumps into Dolores is black and presumably free to take part in any storyline they please. So what gives? Surely more than a few women would also pay for the thrill of playing the hero of a Sweetwater town shootout or for the freedom to disregard the law without real-life consequences. Surely some would go white-hat, some black-hat. (And surely the park could scrounge up some more male prostitutes for its straight female guests, too.) ..." linkThe link just links backs to the thread. I'm interested in reading it, because right now I feel like the show has a lot of great women, from Dolores and Mauve, to Elsie and Theresa. Plus we're only 4 episodes in, for all we know we will see more female guests.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 30, 2016 10:05:30 GMT -5
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Post by Ripley on Oct 30, 2016 10:11:50 GMT -5
Evan Rachel Wood also has this piece abotu what is coming in the finale and some spoilers about how the game gets more intense the further out you get. "...The actress, who plays robot Dolores Abernathy on the series, sat down with The Huffington Post during a recent Build Series interview and revealed that the end of Season 1 will shock fans. “We’ve set everything up really beautifully and the payoffs are going to start hitting you one by one,” Wood teased, saying that Episode 5 really kicks it into high gear. On the show, Dolores is currently off her programming, doing things she normally wouldn’t be able to do, like firing weapons and leaving her town of Sweetwater. She’s on a bounty hunt with human guest William (Jimmi Simpson), who’s discovering she’s not like others of her kind. Being the oldest AI in the park, the dream update Ford (Anthony Hopkins) initiated is truly messing with Dolores’ mind and making her question everything. ..." I double-tested the link- it works this time link
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Post by poisonivy on Oct 30, 2016 10:13:09 GMT -5
I saw some other articles about this very 'issue' and I kinda think like it went over a lot of people's heads that the chick with Teddy in episode 3 was a guest This one mentions it, but the others didn't. I don't really understand - why is it so important we see more female guests? We did see already that female guests are there. And if we saw them indulge in all the awful activities then the people would just complain about that. Also we are 4 episodes in. Tessa Thompson apparently plays super important character so maybe she is a female guest, we have yet to see her.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 30, 2016 10:35:49 GMT -5
I like Tessa Thompson's work so looking forward to seeing her. Thanks for letting me know about that. I would like to see a female guest arrive, or an LGBT guest personally but that is just me. Along with some Asian or Latino guests just as a broader representation of people in general.
Yes, Westworld experience is expensive, but if it only caters to white men, then I will find it a bit boring. *shrugs
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Post by dark sister on Oct 30, 2016 14:00:27 GMT -5
I think it's vast enough that we should eventually start seeing more ethnicities show up.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Oct 30, 2016 14:18:26 GMT -5
I'm going to be honest here, as a black woman, so far what I've seen (mostly) is another show about white people doing white people things. Unfortunately, that's the majority of tv experiences in the US, and keeps me from feeling fully invested in most things being produced right now. Westworld is no different. I watch, but beyond Maeve, I don't care enough to root for anyone. Representation matters to me, but if it doesn't matter to tptb, then they don't need my viewership.
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Post by sonia on Oct 30, 2016 22:37:08 GMT -5
I watched the first episode of Westworld and recorded the next ones, but I haven't been in a hurry to watch them yet. I guess I'm just not super into it.
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Post by MorganBGone on Oct 30, 2016 22:58:58 GMT -5
I watched tonight's ep in lieu of TWD (again) and thought it was among the best so far. I'm curious about the bird and now the intersection of Maeve with that scientist, Felix. I also found the MIB more interesting with Ford right there in frame with him and am left wondering what Ford really thinks of him. With the change in Dolores and the direct insertion of Ford in the MIB's side of the story, I'm finally now very interested in the mysteries of the maze. Oh, and William doesn't suck, which is nice for a human in the game.
Who is stealing info from Westworld? Can't say I saw that question coming, but I want the answer.
On a negative note, Teddy still sucks. Can they not just decommission him and call it a day?? The guy with the pouring problems could always take his place. I feel he has assets Teddy likely lacks.
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Post by dark sister on Oct 30, 2016 23:20:10 GMT -5
Ripley , it's funny that we were talking about more POC being represented on this show, then tonight, Felix, an Asian man gets a lot of screen time. I loved tonight's episode. Absolutely loved it. Dolores was on fire, I love that she and William finally kissed - but most of all I loved that she decided not to be the damsel. That was my favorite line. I like Felix too, How he wants to be more than just the butcher. He has an interesting perspective having to patch up the hosts. Elsie taking charge and calling that other butcher a "necroperv" was amazing. She and Bernard are really my favorite employees. I love the Arnold mystery, it just keeps getting better and better. I can't way to see where it goes. It was haunting when Dolores said "I didn't tell him anything" to herself.
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Post by dark sister on Oct 30, 2016 23:23:11 GMT -5
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Post by Ripley on Oct 30, 2016 23:27:31 GMT -5
I'm watching it now and I laughed when Felix got his focus tonight. He's back now after the Ford saloon scene. Bird just flew To Maeve's finger-yikes!
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Post by dark sister on Oct 30, 2016 23:51:48 GMT -5
I feel like every time I get a theory on Arnold it completely goes to shit.
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Post by dark sister on Oct 31, 2016 20:52:48 GMT -5
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