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Post by v on Sept 23, 2016 10:06:40 GMT -5
Ripley not sure if you want this here or not. linkENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: You and I have already talked a lot about the big cliffhanger, but let’s discuss Morgan and Carol and where they left off. She doesn’t want to keep killing people yet then Morgan kills someone to save her in the finale. What I found interesting is not only did Morgan shoot that savior once, he unloaded his whole gun. He shot him six times. SCOTT M. GIMPLE: He wanted to save her life and he wasn’t taking any chances. That character, Roman, was raising his gun. So Morgan was like, “This is it. There’s no way to stop him.” The big thing with that as far as Carol’s side of it was that it wasn’t only that she didn’t want to kill, but she really wanted to get away from people and people that she’s close to, which is something we saw all the way back in episode 502.
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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2016 10:23:31 GMT -5
Thanks v - it is one of those weird ones that could go several places and I think it is fine here.  Getting some insights into Carol's state of mind, more than we have had, is always good. The Morgan insights make me feel he may end up choosing to sacrifice himself somehow at season's end. That would be fitting with his personality and philosophy. It would also be somewhat Beth-like in terms of realizing that he cannot live in the world as it is now, without changing his philosophy or having to kill, so chooses not to, if that makes sense. That's my Morgan prediction anyway,  |
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Sept 23, 2016 10:29:17 GMT -5
Thanks v- it is one of those weird ones that could go several places and I think it is fine here. Getting some insights into Carol's state of mind, more than we have had, is always good. The Morgan insights make me feel he may end up choosing to sacrifice himself somehow at season's end. That would be fitting with his personality and philosophy. It would also be somewhat Beth-like in terms of realizing that he cannot live in the world as it is now, without changing his philosophy or having to kill, so chooses not to, if hat makes sense. That's my Morgan prediction anyway, Oooh interesting. I am back to more or less liking Morgan now that S6 is over. I hated the way they handled the wolves conflict. I'd be a little sorry to see Morgan go, but then again I feel like they didn't do much with him or they failed in trying to give him that storyline with Carol. |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2016 10:35:02 GMT -5
I think Morgan is a good fit for the Kingdom, because it offers him a structure community, mostly of men as we think right now, where he can go and hopefully fit in a bit better with a group than at ASZ. I would find it very interesting were Morgan to survive but simply choose another group for permanent residency but the show won't give him that chance IMO.
I had wondered last year if Morgan's story might end with his simply walking into the sunset, choosing to be alone, over Rick's group, since that was a storyline we have not yet seen on the show. Interesting, fresh, new.
I'm biased though, I did not like Morgan in s 6 since his choices with the Wolves got many innocent folks killed in the ASZ. It didn't make sense to me that his choosing to not kill yet that choice resulting in more deaths never crossed his mind in the aftermath of those deaths. It just felt a bit Tyreese 2.0 with Martin and the Termites to me.
I liked Morgan a lot in earlier seasons and I hope to like him more in season 7- thinking he may become less rigid in his philosophies now he has broken his taboo to save Carol's life against Roman. I just hope he gets some good story in s 7, especially since it may be his last.
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Post by v on Sept 23, 2016 10:38:26 GMT -5
one of the things I liked about this interview with SG was he validated my point that Morgan was TRYING to live by the "all life is precious" way of thinking because it did save him. At least it saved him from who he had become. We did see him struggle with it several times
Another point is SG highlighted (again) what Carol's motivations are and brought it back to her attempting to leave back in ep 5.2
As she told daryl in consumed "I dont want you to die, I don't want beth to die or the people back at the church. But I can't stand around and watch it happen either. That's why I left, I just had to be somewhere else"
Ever since the girls, Carol has been struggling with wanting to be around people. Remember she was going to leave Jude and Ty at terminus if that had worked out. so actually Carol was ready to bail on the human race in ep 5.1
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Post by v on Sept 23, 2016 10:42:42 GMT -5
I think Morgan is a good fit for the Kingdom, because it offers him a structure community, mostly of men as we think right now, where he can go and hopefully fit in a bit better with a group than at ASZ. I would find it very interesting were Morgan to survive but simply choose another group for permanent residency but the show won't give him that chance IMO. I had wondered last year if Morgan's story might end with his simply walking into the sunset, choosing to be alone, over Rick's group, since that was a storyline we have not yet seen on the show. Interesting, fresh, new. I'm biased though, I did not like Morgan in s 6 since his choices with the Wolves got many innocent folks killed in the ASZ. It didn't make sense to me that his choosing to not kill yet that choice resulting in more deaths never crossed his mind in the aftermath of those deaths. It just felt a bit Tyreese 2.0 with Martin and the Termites to me. I liked Morgan a lot in earlier seasons and I hope to like him more in season 7- thinking he may become less rigid in his philosophies now he has broken his taboo to save Carol's life against Roman. I just hope he gets some good story in s 7, especially since it may be his last. the wolves/Morgan story line was a huge mess. he wanted to save someone that had just killed a bunch of their people and fought Carol to protect Alpha. The dude straight out said "you should kill me because when I get lose I am gonna kill every man woman and child here" we also know the wolves were responsible for Noah's town being wiped out. This was not a man that was gonna be saved. ya know. As someone that was really excited about Morgan coming back I carry a lot of anger over what they did to his character. (I am also someone that thought here's not here was brilliant) I agree I think he will be a good fit for the kingdom. |
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Post by dark sister on Sept 23, 2016 11:12:27 GMT -5
I had wondered last year if Morgan's story might end with his simply walking into the sunset, choosing to be alone, over Rick's group, since that was a storyline we have not yet seen on the show. Interesting, fresh, new. . I used to think that would happen too, especially since Gimple has shown he will work around Lennie James' schedule seemingly above everyone else's. However, when Morgan started building that cell in Alexandria, I figure he'll eventually die at the hands of Negan and/or the Saviors and Rick will use that cell to "honor" him in a way. |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2016 11:16:22 GMT -5
That sounds about right, with Morgan's death, like Hershel, Andrea and Dale before them, influencing Rick to change his ways. That would tie right in with the comic arc of Negan being kept prisoner in the cell for years.
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Post by Starlight on Sept 23, 2016 11:35:57 GMT -5
I do wonder if LJ already knows the fate of Morgan. Going by that comment, he made about actors being told in their start of filming season meetings, that their characters are going to die. Which contradicted all past actors comments about their deaths.
And I agree Yoda has finally found his heaven at The Kindgom. Him and King Ezekiel will bond and stuff. And going by those training pics with KP.I reckon Yoda will be joining Ezekiel, when they all go to war aganist Negan. If was I guessing, I would say Morgan will die in 8a by Negan's hands.
I really don't have a clue about Carol's arc in 7a and 7b,other than that SG is still continuing the same arc from last season. Her story is set at the non-comic Cemetery House location not The Kindgom. Morgan's story seems to be more connected to Ezekiel/ The Kindgom.
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Post by dark sister on Sept 23, 2016 12:23:05 GMT -5
I miss Clear Morgan LJ was aces in that episode  |
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Post by Starlight on Sept 23, 2016 12:43:26 GMT -5
I miss Clear Morgan LJ was aces in that episode I think crazy Morgan is the only Morgan who could stop be wanting yoda to fall into a pit of walkers. |
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Post by reckon on Sept 23, 2016 21:20:39 GMT -5
I hope this is more "misdirection", like when they said Rick and Morgan's relationship would be the spine of season 6. Otherwise, it sounds like Morgan gets to heal in season 7, and Carol gets more misery and separation from team family, just like she got in season 6. And season 5. And season 4.
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Post by Starlight on Sept 24, 2016 7:37:15 GMT -5
I hope this is more "misdirection", like when they said Rick and Morgan's relationship would be the spine of season 6. Otherwise, it sounds like Morgan gets to heal in season 7, and Carol gets more misery and separation from team family, just like she got in season 6. And season 5. And season 4. Going by spoilers / tracking, I would say SG isn't misdirecting this time. Carol is isolated at that Cemetery House and has only reunited with Daryl in episode 10. There is a real possibility that Carol could end up not reuniting with Rick and co until season 8 :-[ Filming of episode 13 - 16 should give us something on what is going on with Carol. As it's stands she still hasn't left the Cemetery House and we are filming episode 12. And Carol mostly likely isn't in this episode either. Fingers crossed that she is in episode 13 +. |
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Post by deadhead on Sept 24, 2016 8:12:26 GMT -5
Thanks v - it is one of those weird ones that could go several places and I think it is fine here. Getting some insights into Carol's state of mind, more than we have had, is always good. The Morgan insights make me feel he may end up choosing to sacrifice himself somehow at season's end. That would be fitting with his personality and philosophy. It would also be somewhat Beth-like in terms of realizing that he cannot live in the world as it is now, without changing his philosophy or having to kill, so chooses not to, if that makes sense. That's my Morgan prediction anyway, This post made my morning, thank you! Morgan dying...Comparing Morgan's naive philosophy to Beth's...Morgan dying like Beth...  |
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Post by reckon on Oct 4, 2016 18:53:32 GMT -5
I hope this is more "misdirection", like when they said Rick and Morgan's relationship would be the spine of season 6. Otherwise, it sounds like Morgan gets to heal in season 7, and Carol gets more misery and separation from team family, just like she got in season 6. And season 5. And season 4. Going by spoilers / tracking, I would say SG isn't misdirecting this time. Carol is isolated at that Cemetery House and has only reunited with Daryl in episode 10. There is a real possibility that Carol could end up not reuniting with Rick and co until season 8 :-[ Filming of episode 13 - 16 should give us something on what is going on with Carol. As it's stands she still hasn't left the Cemetery House and we are filming episode 12. And Carol mostly likely isn't in this episode either. Fingers crossed that she is in episode 13 +. Carol has been filming at the Cemetery House for so long, I'm beginning to think SG is filming Room 2. |
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Post by dark sister on Oct 4, 2016 19:33:06 GMT -5
Going by spoilers / tracking, I would say SG isn't misdirecting this time. Carol is isolated at that Cemetery House and has only reunited with Daryl in episode 10. There is a real possibility that Carol could end up not reuniting with Rick and co until season 8 :-[ Filming of episode 13 - 16 should give us something on what is going on with Carol. As it's stands she still hasn't left the Cemetery House and we are filming episode 12. And Carol mostly likely isn't in this episode either. Fingers crossed that she is in episode 13 +. Carol has been filming at the Cemetery House for so long, I'm beginning to think SG is filming Room 2.Minus all the rapey shit, hopefully. |
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Post by nana on Oct 4, 2016 20:48:55 GMT -5
I can see Morgan giving his life... but I have changed my thinking on his killing philosophy. Lennie believes Morgan can't control himself when he gets to that mind frame to kill... it is like an addiction... so to not kill is how he controls that. I am interested to see how he comes to terms with that this season. Maybe he will realize he has to kill in this world and decides he cant control that. In some ways he and Carol are in the same place....not wanting to kill.
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Oct 4, 2016 21:48:41 GMT -5
I can see Morgan giving his life... but I have changed my thinking on his killing philosophy. Lennie believes Morgan can't control himself when he gets to that mind frame to kill... it is like an addiction... so to not kill is how he controls that. I am interested to see how he comes to terms with that this season. Maybe he will realize he has to kill in this world and decides he cant control that. In some ways he and Carol are in the same place....not wanting to kill. That's how I saw it! Addiction is a good word. |
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