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Post by Ripley on Apr 27, 2016 13:03:35 GMT -5
dark sister "On one of television’s most popular shows, Game of Thrones, characters (mostly women) are frequently naked and presented as objects. They’re regularly leered at and often there are (rarely desired, sometimes violently unwanted) men having sex with them. For many, even some of the show’s most devoted fans, this tiresome dedication to ogling or abusing women’s bodies is becoming a sticking point. As Vulture’s resident Game of Thrones fanatic Nate Jones lamented: “this is one hill I’m getting tired of dying on”. Perhaps this is why Outlander, which has just started its second season on Foxtel, has become the poster child for a relatively new kind of sex onscreen. This is sex that is dominated by the female gaze both on-camera and behind it. The series, a time-travelling action-romance based on Diana Gabaldon’s supernatural historical romance novels, is often mentioned in the same breath as HBO’s fantasy juggernaut. But Outlander’s approach to sex, and to filmmaking in general, could not be more different. It’s rare for a show to give so much attention to a character’s recovery from sexual violence. In fact — as any Game of Thrones fan will know — the persistent violation of bodies (both male and female) is rarely given much attention beyond the initial act of violence. Sex is not always for fun, and sexual trauma should never be used for shock value. The writers and directors of Outlander understand this, as well as Melissa Rosenberg whose exploration of the aftereffects of trauma refined her excellent first season of Jessica Jones. .." link
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Post by dark sister on Apr 28, 2016 7:36:35 GMT -5
So they praise Outlander, which also has rape over Game of Thrones, but GoT is worse because the rape is happening to women instead of men? Because that's what I get from these types of articles. Yes, GoT has a lot of sex, there's brothels in this story, of course they will be. There's even a few scenes where I think it's gratuitous and unneeded, but most of it makes sense within the story. I flat out disagree with the last statement too. Grr
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Post by Ripley on Apr 28, 2016 9:01:12 GMT -5
So they praise Outlander, which also has rape over Game of Thrones, but GoT is worse because the rape is happening to women instead of men? Because that's what I get from these types of articles. Yes, GoT has a lot of sex, there's brothels in this story, of course they will be. There's even a few scenes where I think it's gratuitous and unneeded, but most of it makes sense within the story. I flat out disagree with the last statement too. Grr No actually Outlander deals much more sensitively with the issue of rape than any show I have ever watched. While ur us true that 18th century Scotland had a high risk of rape for women, the only rape was of a man by another man. The great sensual sex of the other relationships is a nice change from what most shows offer. Not just grunt & thrust haha. The aftermath of the rape is honest in ways not often seen in tv-how the survivor recovers, how his relationships and entire life are affected, PSTD etc, are all explored. In GOat incur the trauma as the focus. Dany and Drigo worked through it but we saw Sansa and Dany incur the trauma. Outlander gave us trauma but also the aftermath with the focus being that character recovering because if his love and healthy sexual rship with his wife.
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Post by reckon on Apr 28, 2016 11:31:13 GMT -5
"On one of television’s most popular shows, Game of Thrones, characters (mostly women) are frequently naked and presented as objects. They’re regularly leered at and often there are (rarely desired, sometimes violently unwanted) men having sex with them. For many, even some of the show’s most devoted fans, this tiresome dedication to ogling or abusing women’s bodies is becoming a sticking point. As Vulture’s resident Game of Thrones fanatic Nate Jones lamented: “this is one hill I’m getting tired of dying on."
That's always been a huge problem for me with GoT. It goes way beyond just "showing the world the characters live in". The show relies on it so much that it seems to revel in it, especially since they often just focus on the act (with lots of visuals) but don't give much attention to the aftermath. jmo
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Post by dark sister on Apr 28, 2016 12:27:27 GMT -5
So they praise Outlander, which also has rape over Game of Thrones, but GoT is worse because the rape is happening to women instead of men? Because that's what I get from these types of articles. Yes, GoT has a lot of sex, there's brothels in this story, of course they will be. There's even a few scenes where I think it's gratuitous and unneeded, but most of it makes sense within the story. I flat out disagree with the last statement too. Grr No actually Outlander deals much more sensitively with the issue of rape than any show I have ever watched. While ur us true that 18th century Scotland had a high risk of rape for women, the only rape was of a man by another man. The great sensual sex of the other relationships is a nice change from what most shows offer. Not just grunt & thrust haha. I'm glad they're dealing with the aftermath, I only got to watch the first half of S1 when I had a free preview of Starz, and IIRC the main girl got threatened with rape or almost raped more than once. So based on that, I failed to see why they are handling it better.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 28, 2016 15:43:49 GMT -5
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Post by vixen on Apr 28, 2016 19:56:27 GMT -5
well to me if this was a modern day show all the rape and nudity could be over the top , but for the times its set in that was how sociaty was..women were objects , women were sexual slaves to a man..women were only things and had NO rights....they were only known at most 2nd rate citizens. Mid-evil times were not good to women..............one wonders if the sex of the authors also could be a factor . since GoT is written by a man and OL by a woman.
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