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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 21, 2016 14:37:57 GMT -5
A lot of people are concentrating on what Denise's speech means for Daryl, but I'm interested in where Ms. Rosita goes from here? Will she take Denise's words to heart and give herself a break from douchebags like Abe men and learn to trust herself more? Last night, she saved douch...er Abe from getting shot. Will she be able to let go of her understandable anger (you can tell whose side I'm on in this stupid drama) and be able to work and live beside him and Sasha? That is, if she survives into season 7.
*If someone has the text of Denise's speech, please post it. Thanks.*
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 21, 2016 15:48:08 GMT -5
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Post by Ripley on Mar 21, 2016 17:26:13 GMT -5
Showing Carol and Rositas both using relationships aka comfort sex to deal with emotions was an interesting parallel last night in 6.14 'Twice As Far' as it felt to me as if both were making poor choices to get some temporary escape from their pain. They are hardly alone of course- many other characters did the same in the comic- Michonne, Andrea, Lori and that is how Maggie and Glenn started. People often do the same in real life after a trauma or losses or huge life changes- in fact, it is so common that psychologists advise people not to make huge life changes for a year after a death of loved one, divorce, birth of a child, major move, change of job and other stressful events. Groups like AA and NA and many DA advocates even advise that people entering sobriety stay out of relationships or hookups for the first year so as to keep things clear and not complicate their lives further. In the non-ZA of course. I think Rosita made it clear that the temporary comfort she got from Spencer was not worth the emotional price she paid for it since she wasn't particularly interested in meeting him for Stroganoff and all that might have been included beyond dinner, lol. She still hasn't worked through all of the fallout from Abe's cruel manner of breaking up with her. Abe, Rosita and others will be part of the group until they die and of course, people don't always think clearly when upset, otherwise, they might be a little smarter and weigh some potential complications first, in an ideal world that we and they do not live in (rofl) I am a head before heart woman myself though, so I would be careful to manage things in a way that preserved dignity and minimized hurt and pain for others. Yeah, I know, Abe hasn't hired me as a Life Coach, I know:P Christian Serratos said on Talking Dead last night that Rosita would come to Abe's defense, always, in spite of the harsh breakup because they are members of the group, so I guess that was her testing ground in 6.14. In the comic Rosita confessed at one point that she used her looks and serviced the men around her to keep herself alive until she developed the skills herself. " It was during this time of travel (pre-show) that Rosita had resorted to pleasuring men she met in return for protection, using her looks to survive. This practice continued until she met up with Abraham. It came as a surprise, and relief, to her that Abraham was not like the previous men. Ultimately, his kindness and protection made her fall in love with him, and the two soon initiated a romantic relationship, albeit strained because of Abraham's grief over the recent loss of his entire family."scrolling down the same page: "When Eugene returned and the news of Abraham's death reached her, Rosita broke down in grief and confided in Eugene about her past, revealing her practice of pleasuring men in the group they were once apart of, to survive. She stated that when Abraham came, though she expected him to be like the other men, he wasn't, and she soon fell in love with him. She also told Eugene that she believed even though he ended up lying, Abraham would have protected him regardless, like he protected her. The two comforted each other in their shared mourning for their friend, and Rosita was later seen at the funeral with Eugene, crying in his arms."TWD Rosita Espinoza Comic Wiki
{Spoiler} Rosita ends up at Hilltop before returning to the ASZ after the 2-year time-jump. At that point she is married to Eugene and pregnant with another man's child, whom he accepts.
What I hope to see from Rosita, is some knowledge and growth from her that leads her to evolve away from her comic story and the concept that she is nothing without a man. I would love for her to develop into a more independent woman, which would be a great way for the show to give her some story (and maybe that back story we were promised right after the s 5 finale too). She has great role models like Carol Michonne and Maggie plus friendship with Tara which did not happen in the comic, so she has resources and support apart from Eugene. What I expect though (sigh) us some awkwardness between Rosita and Sasha because it has to hurt when the man you love dumps you for someone else in your "family", someone who is also a good person doing the best they can in the ZA and who has also suffered terrible losses. While Rosita and Sasha have never been close and shared only a few scenes together (with Michonne in the forest last finale), I am sure they liked each other well enough before Abe stuck his dudebro in the wrong direction. I am thinking she will move to another house and not have to live with Abe and Sasha- that would be horrific for her IMO, too angsty for the show I hope & would give her a break there.
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Post by dark sister on Jun 4, 2016 13:12:54 GMT -5
What's next for Rosita to me depends on who the Lucille victim is.
Overall, I want her to have a strong independent arc. Denise's words should ring true to her, and she shouldn't run back into another relationship for fear of being alone.
If Abe is lucilled, I think she could stay at ASZ and train to be their new medic. If he's not, then I could see her going to Hilltop with Maggie (assuming that's where they go) to kind of give Abe/Sasha their space.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Sept 9, 2016 1:37:26 GMT -5
So tracking shows that Rosita is in a good number of episodes in 7A. What do you think she's up to?
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Post by Ripley on Sept 9, 2016 4:26:38 GMT -5
Hard to say at this point, but I'm glad of it. Does make me wonder if this is a big build up in case she gets Holly'd in the season finale & that starts the All Out War arc. At 5 am, the imagination runs wild.
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Post by Starlight on Sept 9, 2016 7:59:07 GMT -5
My thought is that she is being set up for death or she could be simply being getting some development before they do the comic Rosita and Eugene arc. {Spoiler} Going by spoilers Rosita will lose her friend Glenn... She will lose the man she loves Abe and then her new boyfriend will die all by Negan, also rumor is that Eugene will be taken by Negan too. She could easily take Holly's arc / death from the comics. Or even have the shock death of getting Comic Denise's death.
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Post by dark sister on Sept 9, 2016 8:15:48 GMT -5
I don't want Rosita to be Holly'd, so right now I'm just enjoying the fact that she seems to be getting more screen time.
Rosita's scenes in the Lucille promo were all about her friendships. I think she'll try to protect her friends even more so this season. Even though we don't have much on her at this point, I imagine she's pretty determined with the task at hand.
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Post by Starlight on Feb 20, 2017 14:49:12 GMT -5
I like Rosita, but this angry Rosita arc is just to much now. She isn't the only character to have lost someone. Her going of on Tara was a big no no. Tara lost her Denise, Glenn and Abe was her friend to. Yet Rosita is acting like her grieve for her ex boyfriend, who treatment her like trash is more important than everyone else's grieve / feelings.
And her dumb anger isn't even leading to her getting back at the saviors. All it's doing is causing death and harm to other TF members. I hate that she still haven't learnt a damn thing about her behavior.
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Post by greaterpursuit on Feb 20, 2017 15:18:37 GMT -5
Angry, nearly out-of-control Rosita, how does this fit in with the words of wisdom Denise shared? Is this supposed to be Rosita "getting her shit together"?
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Post by Ripley on Feb 20, 2017 15:20:01 GMT -5
I like Rosita but wish she'd stop wasting energy fighting her own group members. Her determination to win is fantastic, but her exchange with Tara, the person after Abe and Eugene with whom she is the closest, is worrying. She is blinded by her need to feel in control IMO.
Snarking with Father Gabriel and Sasha is one thing since she's had beefs with them in the past. But the Eugene and Tara fractures continue isolating her from people who care about her and are making her reckless IMO.
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Post by greaterpursuit on Feb 20, 2017 17:00:50 GMT -5
Part of me thinks this is about making Rosita unlikeable so they can kill her off without backlash but they are killing off Sasha without doing something similar so that doesn't really make any sense.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Feb 20, 2017 17:56:37 GMT -5
Angry, nearly out-of-control Rosita, how does this fit in with the words of wisdom Denise shared? Is this supposed to be Rosita "getting her shit together"? It's weird because I can see how Denise's last words relate to what's going on now with Daryl, but I have no idea what they're supposed to mean for Rosita's current arc. Denise pointed out that Rosita is afraid to be alone, but here we have Rosita going rogue and lonewolf. This is not what Denise meant.
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Post by Starlight on Feb 20, 2017 18:11:39 GMT -5
Angry, nearly out-of-control Rosita, how does this fit in with the words of wisdom Denise shared? Is this supposed to be Rosita "getting her shit together"? It's weird because I can see how Denise's last words relate to what's going on now with Daryl, but I have no idea what they're supposed to mean for Rosita's current arc. Denise pointed out that Rosita is afraid to be alone, but here we have Rosita going rogue and lonewolf. This is not what Denise meant. If this is SG arc showcasing Rosita as a strong woman not needing a man, Then the arc is a complete fail because all its proving is that Rosita really doesn't function without having someone in her life.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Feb 20, 2017 18:19:36 GMT -5
Starlight, that would just like SG to think so. Doesn't seem like Rosita is trying at all.
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Post by Starlight on Feb 20, 2017 18:42:06 GMT -5
Starlight , that would just like SG to think so. Doesn't seem like Rosita is trying at all. I really wonder if a reason for Sasha dying is so the show can teach Rosita a lesson about her behavior. Because it looks very likely that Sasha is dying, because Rosita pulls her into her dumb plan against the Saviors.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Feb 20, 2017 18:47:03 GMT -5
Starlight , that would just like SG to think so. Doesn't seem like Rosita is trying at all. I really wonder if a reason for Sasha dying is so the show can teach Rosita a lesson about her behavior. Because it looks very likely that Sasha is dying, because Rosita pulls her into her dumb plan against the Saviors. Then Rosita's dumber than a box of rocks. Olivia dying wasn't enough. Eugene being kidnapped wasn't enough. Maybe she waiting for her the third times the charm moment.
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Post by darkandstormy on Feb 21, 2017 6:46:32 GMT -5
I don't understand where they are going with Rosita's story, other than making her a danger to herself and others. I'm not seeing a woman who can survive without a man (like Maggie, Sasha and Carol). I'm seeing a bitter woman who holds grudges and snaps at those who won't snap back (Eugene, Gabriel, Tara). I cheered when Rick and Michonne shut her down about Gabriel. So many in the group have lost so much more than she has (as far as we know, because her backstory is a mystery), so I can't muster up much sympathy for her childish tantrums. Especially after she appeared to reach a truce with Sasha, and had that heart-to-heart talk with Gabriel.
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Post by Starlight on Feb 21, 2017 9:26:26 GMT -5
I see Rosita story going 2 ways and both ways her character dies in season 8
This is her strong woman arc before the show does the comic Eugene and Rosita arc and if you know the comics you know what happens to Rosita.
Or she is being set up to be one of the big deaths from TF during AOW in season 8.
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Post by dark sister on Feb 21, 2017 10:08:02 GMT -5
As a fan, it's frustrating to see this with Rosita right now.
I think her anger makes sense, but directing it to her fellow family members over and over again is misplaced. Not to mention she's already gotten one person killed and another kidnapped. Rosita is shown as clever and a capable survivor, but she doesn't see that her own rage is causing more problems? This seems like overkill for Rosita to learn a lesson, if that's indeed the point of this arc.
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Post by Starlight on Feb 21, 2017 12:45:32 GMT -5
Spoilers say that in the final Rosita will be shot. So does the show think that her being shot saving another will automatically redeem her without her learning anything.
or does Rosita get shot, because yet again she does something stupid in the final against Negan/ Saviors.And this time her plan comes back on her.
After seeing her in the MSP and seeing her do the bomb stuff, I have a feeling that Rosita will end up doing something bombs in the final.
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