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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 17, 2016 17:36:27 GMT -5
What's with the rehash of storylines?
Season 2: Carol's pain of losing Sophia was overshadowed by Daryl's regret for not finding her Season 3: Death of Merle (I'm okay with this one, actually) Season 4: Set up for season 5 Season 5: Beth's death. Writers basically ignored Maggie's reaction in favor of dragging on Daryl's pain Season 6: You've seen the spoilers. I fully expect Daryl's pain to be magnified over another certain person
So what gives? Does Gimple simply not know what to do with Daryl? Does he not like Daryl thus hates writing for him?
I expect repetition of themes and plot points: death, kidnapping, TF underestimating a threat but what they're doing with Daryl is lazy writing at best. Thoughts?
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Post by dark sister on Mar 17, 2016 19:44:19 GMT -5
Here's what baffles me. Recently we've had both AL and MMB act very dismissive of their character's arcs. AL with Jessick, and now MMB with Tobin. We know NR is the cash cow, so much so that AMC preemptively wrote off Merle for accidentally hitting NR. You're telling me that Daryl gets this shit story over and over and NR doesn't complain? Wouldn't his complaints make AMC reel Gimple in. NR can't actually like this right? This is terrible.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 17, 2016 20:50:56 GMT -5
I bet this is why Norman Reedus said he was glad to get the season done filming. Daryl gets more man pain as his story this year, first with trusting Dwight avd having that go south in "Always Accountable". Then he encounters that group of Saviors & gets to use the RPG twice in one episode in humans and walkers both. Daryl gets an almost bottle episode (again) with Rick aka Butch and Sundance being continually bested by Jesus. Lol. Then he cuts through Carol's denial in 6.13 before going on to the spoilers for 6.15 and more man pain for a great underdeveloped character with whom he had 2 short scenes in consecutive episodes to establish a bond. At this point I think I understand Daryl's feelings as well as I do my own.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 17, 2016 21:10:11 GMT -5
dark sister It wouldn't surprise me if NR has the most clout of all the actors on the show, including AL. Maybe he likes what he gets. Or maybe, he doesn't care? I mean this is the same man who was so proud of Still, the Howard the Duck of TWD. The rinse, repeat of his character might be right up his ally. I'm convinced Gimple doesn't like Daryl.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 20, 2016 22:31:07 GMT -5
In the coming days, TWD is going to get some flak for killing off another lesbian character because
1. historically lgbtq characters get the shaft 2. for Daryl's manpain 3. her girlfriend no where in sight
Now of course, Tara's not there because AM was on maternity leave but all of this goes back to my original question. Why did it have to be for Daryl's manpain? Are we supposed to believe that if Dwight had killed Olivia or Tobin or Heath, he wouldn't have still wanted to go after Dwight?
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Post by reckon on Mar 21, 2016 2:04:13 GMT -5
There's a video, I think it's on AMC's website, that has NR talking about SG talking to each actor before the start of s5 to talk about their character. NR says all he wanted to know was if he was getting a new bike, and when told he was, said, "Cool! That's good enough for me."
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Post by v on Mar 21, 2016 3:20:43 GMT -5
There's a video, I think it's on AMC's website, that has NR talking about SG talking to each actor before the start of s5 to talk about their character. NR says all he wanted to know was if he was getting a new bike, and when told he was, said, "Cool! That's good enough for me." Yes that was for season 5 and when I saw that all I could think was he was phoning this in now. Seeing what the show has done so far this season, no wonder so many of them seemed less than thrilled with it. I guess as long as he gets his check and long lines at the cons he is fine with it, never mind the character assassination and the grumblings from the fandom and critics.
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Post by v on Mar 21, 2016 3:21:46 GMT -5
In the coming days, TWD is going to get some flak for killing off another lesbian character because 1. historically lgbtq characters get the shaft 2. for Daryl's manpain 3. her girlfriend no where in sight Now of course, Tara's not there because AM was on maternity leave but all of this goes back to my original question. Why did it have to be for Daryl's manpain? Are we supposed to believe that if Dwight had killed Olivia or Tobin or Heath, he wouldn't have still wanted to go after Dwight? oh the few reviews I've seen so far are not happy about this and they mentioned the rinse repeat of the story line for him.
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Post by v on Mar 21, 2016 4:18:48 GMT -5
In the coming days, TWD is going to get some flak for killing off another lesbian character because 1. historically lgbtq characters get the shaft 2. for Daryl's manpain 3. her girlfriend no where in sight Now of course, Tara's not there because AM was on maternity leave but all of this goes back to my original question. Why did it have to be for Daryl's manpain? Are we supposed to believe that if Dwight had killed Olivia or Tobin or Heath, he wouldn't have still wanted to go after Dwight? And while being a lesbian doesn’t mean a character should be bulletproof—anyone and everyone should be ready to die on The Walking Dead—the writers did decide to swap the gay character in for the virile straight, white male. — The Walking Dead’s Latest Gruesome Death Is Part of a Troubling TV Trend When will they stop killing us?
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Post by Meggo358 on Mar 21, 2016 9:12:51 GMT -5
By my count this is the four occurrence of what I'd call "unjustified man pain"
1. Sophia dying 2. Hershel dying 3. Beth dying 4. Denise dying
After each time I've hoped that Daryl would learn something in terms of being able to set aside his own feelings to be there for those more directly affected by whatever tragedy has occurred. So far that hasn't happened and I'm rather skeptical Denise's death will have any different effect. Why must these characters be killed off for - not even development - but a cycle of manpain.
I might be less bothered by these deaths if they served a purpose. If they affected other characters who make more sense to be the focus of the post death reactions, or I'd Daryl made changes/progress based on these deaths. But so far this (and riding on motorcycles) seems to be his MO year after year.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 21, 2016 10:48:59 GMT -5
There's a video, I think it's on AMC's website, that has NR talking about SG talking to each actor before the start of s5 to talk about their character. NR says all he wanted to know was if he was getting a new bike, and when told he was, said, "Cool! That's good enough for me." Not shocking at all. No wonder his character's been in the shitter for a long time now.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 21, 2016 11:02:28 GMT -5
In the coming days, TWD is going to get some flak for killing off another lesbian character because 1. historically lgbtq characters get the shaft 2. for Daryl's manpain 3. her girlfriend no where in sight Now of course, Tara's not there because AM was on maternity leave but all of this goes back to my original question. Why did it have to be for Daryl's manpain? Are we supposed to believe that if Dwight had killed Olivia or Tobin or Heath, he wouldn't have still wanted to go after Dwight? And while being a lesbian doesn’t mean a character should be bulletproof—anyone and everyone should be ready to die on The Walking Dead—the writers did decide to swap the gay character in for the virile straight, white male. — The Walking Dead’s Latest Gruesome Death Is Part of a Troubling TV Trend When will they stop killing us? So we have another woman dying for manpain. And a white straight male was swapped with a lesbian. For what purpose was Denise put with Tara when in the comic she was with Heath? Did their relationship provide Tara with any real character development? Not in my eyes. Meggo358 I'll bet you a million internet dollars tptb will gloss over Tara's grief. At the start of season 7, Tara will have one throw away line about how much she misses Denise and she'll never be mentioned again. True love, y'all.
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Post by dark sister on Mar 21, 2016 12:05:09 GMT -5
I wish NR would speak up to Gimple about this constant man pain because I don't see how this can even be rewarding for an actor to go in a circle like this?
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Post by taipanmay on Mar 21, 2016 18:03:38 GMT -5
The repetition isn't even subtle, they actually seem to like mirroring things on this show. But they aren't an artistic lot, and it never works. There's nothing deep about doing the same storyline over and over but just changing up some of the details. And far as Daryl's manpain - they don't even use it effectively. Carol is his best friend but assuming he does after Dwight, this is two times they've chosen to have Daryl not go after his best friend - an actual situation where Daryl being upset and acting on it would be meaningful. He's never had any scenes with Beth as far as I can remember before Still. The Denise thing was contrived - I mean she says Daryl reminds her of her brother, only to have them write Daryl saying Dennis sounds like Merle. Which bloody brother is it writers? Just throw a thread anywhere to make them have a link huh? And there was plenty of times for Daryl to step up and have a convo with Rick when he was going downhill, but those two never have any meaningful discussions. They have dropped Aaron and Eric from his storyline, so you don't get to see a different side of him with them. They seriously don't have anything for this character to do other than feeling pain for characters he hardly interacts with, once a season. I actually think he is now one of the more boring characters. He doesn't have things that matter to him other than his bike and bow and occasionally Caryl when they remember to write it. There's no stakes or goals for him, nothing that ties him to anyone. No motivation for him to do anything other than manufactured manpain. They'll never get rid of him, but boy they sure don't seem to like writing for him either.
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Post by nana on Mar 21, 2016 21:13:13 GMT -5
Norman has said things this season that make me believe he is less than happy with the story arc. I think they are afraid to make him be controversial.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Mar 21, 2016 21:37:58 GMT -5
The repetition isn't even subtle, they actually seem to like mirroring things on this show. But they aren't an artistic lot, and it never works. There's nothing deep about doing the same storyline over and over but just changing up some of the details. And far as Daryl's manpain - they don't even use it effectively. Carol is his best friend but assuming he does after Dwight, this is two times they've chosen to have Daryl not go after his best friend - an actual situation where Daryl being upset and acting on it would be meaningful. He's never had any scenes with Beth as far as I can remember before Still. The Denise thing was contrived - I mean she says Daryl reminds her of her brother, only to have them write Daryl saying Dennis sounds like Merle. Which bloody brother is it writers? Just throw a thread anywhere to make them have a link huh? And there was plenty of times for Daryl to step up and have a convo with Rick when he was going downhill, but those two never have any meaningful discussions. They have dropped Aaron and Eric from his storyline, so you don't get to see a different side of him with them. They seriously don't have anything for this character to do other than feeling pain for characters he hardly interacts with, once a season. I actually think he is now one of the more boring characters. He doesn't have things that matter to him other than his bike and bow and occasionally Caryl when they remember to write it. There's no stakes or goals for him, nothing that ties him to anyone. No motivation for him to do anything other than manufactured manpain. They'll never get rid of him, but boy they sure don't seem to like writing for him either. You're speaking the gospel. I don't think they like writing for him either, but Gimple says he loves writing for Carol and look at the crap we get. Oh look, season 6 Carol goes missing. Again. But that happened in season 3. Doesn't matter let's use it again in season 4. And season 5? Well, technically she was kidnapped, we knew where she was.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 21, 2016 22:02:57 GMT -5
I think Norman, as he said, was very happy to finish filming the season this year. I'm bet he's also sort of tired if what story Darylmgets even with a few walker kills to jazz things up every season or a tank/RPG kill to level up the badass reputation.
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Post by nana on Mar 21, 2016 22:59:44 GMT -5
Every now and then I think they are going to break Daryl lose and then it falls off. I had that feeling in 6a, bt now we are back to manpain.
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Post by v on Mar 22, 2016 0:19:36 GMT -5
The repetition isn't even subtle, they actually seem to like mirroring things on this show. But they aren't an artistic lot, and it never works. There's nothing deep about doing the same storyline over and over but just changing up some of the details. And far as Daryl's manpain - they don't even use it effectively. Carol is his best friend but assuming he does after Dwight, this is two times they've chosen to have Daryl not go after his best friend - an actual situation where Daryl being upset and acting on it would be meaningful. He's never had any scenes with Beth as far as I can remember before Still. The Denise thing was contrived - I mean she says Daryl reminds her of her brother, only to have them write Daryl saying Dennis sounds like Merle. Which bloody brother is it writers? Just throw a thread anywhere to make them have a link huh? And there was plenty of times for Daryl to step up and have a convo with Rick when he was going downhill, but those two never have any meaningful discussions. They have dropped Aaron and Eric from his storyline, so you don't get to see a different side of him with them. They seriously don't have anything for this character to do other than feeling pain for characters he hardly interacts with, once a season. I actually think he is now one of the more boring characters. He doesn't have things that matter to him other than his bike and bow and occasionally Caryl when they remember to write it. There's no stakes or goals for him, nothing that ties him to anyone. No motivation for him to do anything other than manufactured manpain. They'll never get rid of him, but boy they sure don't seem to like writing for him either. Daryl had a couple brief scenes with Beth before still. one was when he asked her to watch over Carl when he went to woodbury. the other ones were basically them standing near each other ( when he brought the group to see that Carol was alive). As for the comment about Denise's brother that was him saying her brother sounded like Merle. The whole thing was contrived and a waste of Denise's character. I've been bitching about how they make the deaths of characters more about HIM than the actual family members since season 2. Sophia- carol got a brief bit of grief but then they had her focusing on bringing Daryl back. Herschel- was more about Daryl's pain than Beth who should have been the one needing encouragement. Beth- Beth's death was mostly about Daryl. Maggie had her brief bit of grief ( longer than Carol got over sophia) but the bulk of it went to Daryl. Denise- having Caryl be the two to bury her when there was probably tons of ASZ folks that loved her ( Aaron and Eric for example or how about Rosita who is friends with Tara and was there when she died? or Eugene? or how about Rick, the guy who's son she saved? Or hell, even Morgan ) You ever notice the only person Daryl really hasn't been given a chance to grieve was his brother? and ugly cray face scene, a bit down when Carol went to him, every once in a while mentioning him to the next person he will get to grieve but it's never really about Daryl grieving Merle. Norman seemed to be very happy the season was over and judging by his behavior at SDCC ( and now it wasn't because Beth/EK wasn't there ... rolls eyes over that theory) he really just seems to be phoning it in. Granted with the stuff he is being given to work with, it should be easy enough to phone in.
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Post by Mia on Mar 25, 2016 20:42:21 GMT -5
By my count this is the four occurrence of what I'd call "unjustified man pain" 1. Sophia dying 2. Hershel dying 3. Beth dying 4. Denise dying After each time I've hoped that Daryl would learn something in terms of being able to set aside his own feelings to be there for those more directly affected by whatever tragedy has occurred. So far that hasn't happened and I'm rather skeptical Denise's death will have any different effect. Why must these characters be killed off for - not even development - but a cycle of manpain. I might be less bothered by these deaths if they served a purpose. If they affected other characters who make more sense to be the focus of the post death reactions, or I'd Daryl made changes/progress based on these deaths. But so far this (and riding on motorcycles) seems to be his MO year after year. I love Daryl to pieces but his story is like rinse and repeat. It is getting old fast.
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Post by Kitsune on Mar 25, 2016 20:42:56 GMT -5
At least Beth is nowhere to be seen this time around.
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Post by Mia on Mar 25, 2016 20:49:50 GMT -5
At least Beth is nowhere to be seen this time around. Thank goodness for that.
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Post by MorganBGone on Oct 29, 2016 20:46:39 GMT -5
So, about season 7...
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2016 22:37:03 GMT -5
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Post by Ripley on Oct 30, 2016 12:25:29 GMT -5
Thanks to the good folks who brough this to my attention elsewhere lol "Daryl actor Norman Reedus caught up with ComicBook.com for an exclusive interview regarding the weight on Daryl's shoulders after his actions triggered Glenn's death. "I think it weighs heavily on him," Reedus said. "I don't know that anybody in that group blames him for anything, but he blames himself more than anything. It really brings him down to a certain level where whatever shitty thing is thrown at him, he is just going to take it." For Daryl, who is now a prisoner of war, the events aren't being taken any sort of lightly. "He goes very, very dark," Reedus said. "He does certain things that he can't go back from. He goes to a very, very dark, dark place. It's a combination of hatred. It's a combination of self-loathing. It's different from when he first started on the show. He has a big chip on his shoulder. He thought people wouldn't like him. He didn't give a shit. He hates you, too. It turns now into he kind of hates himself. He hates the world that we're in, and he doesn't lose the fight in him, but he definitely no longer sees anything good in the world, that's for sure."..." link
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Post by Starlight on Oct 30, 2016 12:43:55 GMT -5
If Norman hadn't used that "darker line" in the past. I would believe him over what happened in the premiere. But he says that every season. When the only thing that gets darker is Daryl's hair and clothing.
And as Daryl is the show's cash cow, I can't see them doing anything really controversial with him. They had him act like moron in the line up. And then they all came out excusing his behavior.
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Post by Meggo358 on Oct 30, 2016 12:47:09 GMT -5
If Norman hadn't used that "darker line" in the past. I would believe him over what happened in the premiere. But he says that every season. When the only thing that gets darker is Daryl's hair and clothing. And as Daryl is the show's cash cow, I can't see them doing anything really controversial with him. They had him act like moron in the line up. And then they all came out excusing his behavior. I wouldnt be surprised if the show doesnt have maggie reassure daryl at some point in the season, pointing out what a maniac negan is and telling him hes a good guy or whatever. ...no matter what, they're not going to allow daryls actions to really affect his character in any way that seems controversial.
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Post by Starlight on Oct 30, 2016 12:49:09 GMT -5
If Norman hadn't used that "darker line" in the past. I would believe him over what happened in the premiere. But he says that every season. When the only thing that gets darker is Daryl's hair and clothing. And as Daryl is the show's cash cow, I can't see them doing anything really controversial with him. They had him act like moron in the line up. And then they all came out excusing his behavior. I wouldnt be surprised if the show doesnt have maggie reassure daryl at some point in the season, pointing out what a maniac negan is and telling him hes a good guy or whatever. ...no matter what, they're not going to allow daryls actions to really affect his character in any way that seems controversial. I predict episode 13 will be that episode due to tracking...
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Post by Ripley on Oct 30, 2016 12:53:57 GMT -5
"Yes, it is perfectly fine that you broke the line which could have gotten any of us killed but it was just my husband's time, no worries. Could have been me too, or Rick or Carl but yeah, it was fine. Just Glenn's bad day when his luck finally ran out, leaving me a single mom to raise our child without ever meeting his father. I understand that as an expert hunter and tracker, you really do know all about freezing and following instructions, because that is how you survived around predators, whether human or animal, all your pre-ZA days. You just can't control that big feeling heart of yours- where did that go in season 6 when Carol said she wasn't ok, btw? But, sure, honey, I forgave you for Beth and now I forgive you for Glenn, because I'm just a forgiving type, so all your cute mainpain emo stuff for 4 seasons, I completely forgive. After all, the viewers love you and you are the # 1 cash cow (although Negan's bangability may be closing fast so watch your step sugar) so everything is OK. It is all good!" OK I just threw up in my mouth a little typing that so off to brush my teeth. Sexual Chocolate
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Post by Mia on Oct 30, 2016 13:52:34 GMT -5
I am tired of the man pain on this show.
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