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Post by Meggo358 on Jul 8, 2016 11:34:07 GMT -5
I confess that the worst thing SG did in my opinion is dissolving team family. The end result is that the story becomes fragmented and the stakes are lower, because there's little sense that the group collectively cares for each other. Even if they do, it's so infrequently expressed onscreen it becomes hard to believe.
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Post by Ripley on Jul 8, 2016 11:53:07 GMT -5
I confess that Gimple's choice to have Team Family unaware of the turmoil Carol was experiencing in s 6 seems unrealistic to me. In the barn-tornado episode in s 5, Glenn, Michonne and Carol circulated the group, seeing immediately who needed encouragement, who needed to be told to eat,drink, rest, etc. Even if Rick and Michonne were lost in their love-haze, which is fine, others in the group should have seen that Carol was in trouble, and stepped in to support her. The same way the whole group supported Maggie and Glenn in s 6, (just a few episodes between Carol's anxiety and conflicts with Morgan happened) when her pregnancy was known and they all went to Hilltop for the ultrasound and checkup. Team Family either is or isn't a true family after 6 seasons together essentially. But to have them be family in one episode, but miss something that major in another family member just does not ring true to me. Gimple cannot have it both ways- they can't be a "family" one episode and then not in the next few IMO. Not if he wants it to be believable. But what do I know- I'm Jon Snow
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Post by Meggo358 on Jul 8, 2016 12:36:45 GMT -5
Echoing @ripleys post above, I confess that gimple believes in plot over characters and by extension, relationships.With exceptions, concern for others seems to manifest only when the plot requires it. Bonds can be conveniently shelved or highlighted in order to get from A to B. They don't seem central to his brilliant "vision" for the show, and therefore they're yet another tool in arsenal, rather than serve as a feature that allows the audience become the more invested invested in the well being of these characters.
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Post by Rosie on Jul 8, 2016 15:13:28 GMT -5
I confess that WHAWIGO is one of my favorite episodes.
EK's version of "Strugglin' Man" was wonderfully performed and so relevant to Tyreese' entire journey IMO.
TPTB don't always get it right but when they do ... it's powerful and resonating.
CC has some acting chops.
I still cry when I re-watch.
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Post by Starlight on Jul 8, 2016 17:39:36 GMT -5
I confess I dislike all six of TWD finals. I find them to be boring and huge let downs. Finals to me are about enticing the audience to come back next season.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Jul 9, 2016 15:58:21 GMT -5
I confess season 2 finale will always be my favorite. The rest of them sucked in comparison.
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Post by Ripley on Jul 9, 2016 17:15:54 GMT -5
I confess the season 2 final is also my favorite because of the herd, the ways in which the group split up but most of all as a goodbye to that period of TWD. The everyday moments of a life shifting back to normalcy-laundry meals, safety, but still spiraling down because of the ZA and fractures within the group: Sophia and the barn walkers, Shane's madness, morality questions with Randall, Dale etc. The end of the RV, faithful to the last. . All well handled that season. The burning barn, T-Dog with Lori, Michonne appearing and Andrea cut off from the rest of the group.
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Post by v on Jul 9, 2016 23:30:47 GMT -5
I confess that Gimple's choice to have Team Family unaware of the turmoil Carol was experiencing in s 6 seems unrealistic to me. In the barn-tornado episode in s 5, Glenn, Michonne and Carol circulated the group, seeing immediately who needed encouragement, who needed to be told to eat,drink, rest, etc. Even if Rick and Michonne were lost in their love-haze, which is fine, others in the group should have seen that Carol was in trouble, and stepped in to support her. The same way the whole group supported Maggie and Glenn in s 6, (just a few episodes between Carol's anxiety and conflicts with Morgan happened) when her pregnancy was known and they all went to Hilltop for the ultrasound and checkup. Team Family either is or isn't a true family after 6 seasons together essentially. But to have them be family in one episode, but miss something that major in another family member just does not ring true to me. Gimple cannot have it both ways- they can't be a "family" one episode and then not in the next few IMO. Not if he wants it to be believable. But what do I know- I'm Jon Snow I confess I totally agree with you (but you knew that). NO ONE noticed her puling away? Her changes in behavior? How do you call her family but not notice her struggle? Sure she is good at hiding things but some things should have clued them in. Carol has ALWAYS been there for everyone else but she doesn't get the same consideration. I also confess that SG blew the perfect chance to clue TF into some of her issues when he did NOT have Rosita or Denise mention to Daryl what had happened between Carol and Morgan. Why have two people, one a fricken shrink out with the one person that would normally be clued in the most to Carol NOT talk about it. Everyone was so busy with their own issues she was just forgotten until they needed someone to sneak around, play spy or hunt saviors. Finally I confess Scott Gimple can kiss my foot for ruining one of my favorite shows.
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Post by Starlight on Jul 10, 2016 10:22:34 GMT -5
I confess I really wish SG would listen to the criticisms the show is getting and learn from his mistakes. Instead of repeating the same mistakes every year. Looking at the layout for season 7 it's looks like season 7 will be season 6 all over again but worse.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Jul 10, 2016 17:09:14 GMT -5
I confess I've never been less excited about the return of this show than I am right now. If it wasn't for the friends I've made in the fandom I'd be gone.
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Post by Mia on Jul 10, 2016 18:40:02 GMT -5
I confess I've never been less excited about the return of this show than I am right now. If it wasn't for the friends I've made in the fandom I'd be gone. This is how I feel too.
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Post by blackjack on Jul 11, 2016 12:39:49 GMT -5
I actually don't think they fucked up when it came to Carol. It may have been taken to more extreme than it should have. Close families often overlook problems even now. Sometimes people don't seem to notice what should be obvious. The occasional family member's problems and issues get forgotten about. They've gotten used to Carol being tough. She's not the one they worry about on a regular basis. This makes her more likely to be overlooked. If things like This happen in today's world, it definitely would once you add in the stresses and horrors of an apocalypse.
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Post by Starlight on Jul 11, 2016 12:39:57 GMT -5
I confess I don't mind 1-4 standalone / BE in a season. Sometimes the episodes are good and add development and move the stories forward. What I hate is a season full of standalone/ episodes,that are designed just to be filler.So SG can drag out material.
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Post by Mia on Jul 11, 2016 16:09:49 GMT -5
I confess I don't mind episodes that don't include a Grimes in it.
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Post by dark sister on Jul 12, 2016 14:34:34 GMT -5
I confess that I miss Tyreese on the show.
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Post by Ripley on Jul 12, 2016 15:38:48 GMT -5
I confess I wished Carol could have had Mika as a daughter to help heal them both from s 4 but prevent the Sam sadness of season 6.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Jul 12, 2016 16:56:55 GMT -5
I confess I still don't know the reason for Sam to be part of Carol's story or for his existence at all.
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Post by Starlight on Jul 12, 2016 17:16:53 GMT -5
I confess I still don't know the reason for Sam to be part of Carol's story or for his existence at all. I really having a clue, but I think LJ not being available in season 5, played a big part in certain arcs being changed around in 5b. But as it stands it looks like the kid was just created to die in a horrible death.
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Post by sonia on Jul 12, 2016 21:50:44 GMT -5
Oooooh! I confess that I LOVE the new banner! It's gorgeous!
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Post by Lee on Jul 17, 2016 12:26:49 GMT -5
I confess that I am totally on board with Ripley & Sexual Chocolate about S2 & the S2 finale. I will take character-driven over plot-driven any day of the week. Just watched the bonus feature Ripley shared from the upcoming new S6 DVD where GN shared SG's vision for S6: "everyone who thinks TWD isn't about the zombies - it's about the people - just wait . . ." so the first six scripts GN received were about the zombies (30,000) and the danger from the quarry. IMHO S6, which was extremely plot-driven, was THE worst season of all with too many new characters, no character development, a fractured TF & a horrific finale. I can't spend time on a series UNLESS I'm invested in its characters! Gimple, Kirkman & TPTB need to pay attention to well-meaning fans and critics and read the financial predictions for TWD and AMC or I confess I think we will be watching the demise of one the all-time great television series in S7 and that breaks my heart.
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Post by Mia on Jul 17, 2016 21:55:56 GMT -5
I confess that I am totally on board with Ripley & Sexual Chocolate about S2 & the S2 finale. I will take character-driven over plot-driven any day of the week. Just watched the bonus feature Ripley shared from the upcoming new S6 DVD where GN shared SG's vision for S6: "everyone who thinks TWD isn't about the zombies - it's about the people - just wait . . ." so the first six scripts GN received were about the zombies (30,000) and the danger from the quarry. IMHO S6, which was extremely plot-driven, was THE worst season of all with too many new characters, no character development, a fractured TF & a horrific finale. I can't spend time on a series UNLESS I'm invested in its characters! Gimple, Kirkman & TPTB need to pay attention to well-meaning fans and critics and read the financial predictions for TWD and AMC or I confess I think we will be watching the demise of one the all-time great television series in S7 and that breaks my heart. I agree!
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Post by Starlight on Jul 18, 2016 7:40:39 GMT -5
I confess I hope the ratings for the premiere are the same are less then the season 6 final. Just to show how stupid the show was to end the final on a cliffhanger.And to show all their promotion of lucille for the premiere was for nothing.
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Post by Starlight on Jul 18, 2016 17:34:19 GMT -5
I confess this is the first season were I can't find anything to get excited about. Everything is telling me the season is going to be a complete and utter mess.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Jul 20, 2016 0:01:21 GMT -5
I confess when reading Caryl fanfics, I completely reject any maiden name of Carol's which isn't Mason. She was Carol Mason before becoming Carol Peletier and no one can tell me different.
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Post by Starlight on Jul 22, 2016 8:29:23 GMT -5
I confess I think the show completely lost its way.The moment they went to ASZ and settled there.
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Post by Meggo358 on Jul 25, 2016 14:16:56 GMT -5
I confess that this years SDCC felt more...muted to me. The weight of knowledge about the LV and having to keep up appearances felt significant, and it didn't feel like the cast was celebrating anything this year.
Not to say that it didn't feel like the cast wasn't having a good time together, but that there just isn't as much to be excited about/proud of in terms of the upcoming story. Could just be projection on my part, though : )
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Jul 25, 2016 14:41:11 GMT -5
I confess that it pisses me off that one of the most important characters of the series is about to be killed off with little to no love from tptb but they gave Beth an entire arc, including a bottle episode, before they blew her brains out. Yes, the arc was a whole pile of dog shit in terms of story and acting, but why her and not him?
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Post by Ripley on Jul 25, 2016 15:45:46 GMT -5
I confess I wish the Glenn backstory in 'Seed' which viewers would have loved IMO, was deleted from the aired episode along with other important scenes for T-Dog-also some backstory. Seed is a good solid episode, but those scenes would have terrific on other episodes of s 3.
I've read all the s 3 scripts btw & many deleted bits that year were equally fantastic or worthy of being seen.
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Post by greaterpursuit on Jul 25, 2016 19:11:18 GMT -5
I confess I think the show completely lost its way.The moment they went to ASZ and settled there. This. I was initially excited for the ASZ because it meant settling down somewhere relatively comfortable so we'd get great character development like we had in Season 2. Instead we got a lot of OOC behavior from probably half the characters and most of TF separating off into smaller groups, somewhat oblivious to each other.
It marks where my love for the show started to slip. I still watch it and like to discuss it on forums but I don't have anything resembling the enthusiasm I use to have. Spoilers for 7A are helping, either.
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Post by honkytonkwoman on Jul 25, 2016 19:27:15 GMT -5
I confess that I'm pro Shiva.
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