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Post by webergal on Oct 22, 2015 15:02:16 GMT -5
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Apr 22, 2016 16:00:20 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me why Morgan wouldn't kill during the Wolves massacre but took down the savior overkill style? The Wolves were literally hacking...let me stress HACKING...away at the Alexandrians and Morgan was busy trying to tie one of the Wolves up. What gives?
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Post by booksrbetter on Apr 22, 2016 22:27:32 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me why Morgan wouldn't kill during the Wolves massacre but took down the savior overkill style? The Wolves were literally hacking...let me stress HACKING...away at the Alexandrians and Morgan was busy trying to tie one of the Wolves up. What gives? When you find out, please let me know. I have thought about it too much. My best guess is that Morgan and Carol do have this odd connection (don't go ballistic, I think it isn't romantic). He recognized that she was more than a housewife in episode one. Carol was irked by that. There was a slight antagonism between them. Them the Wolves attack and they confront each other. Open hostility. Then they have a physical confrontation. (which was just awful writing). Morgan lost control for a few seconds and tried to hurt her. That must have been scary for him. Must have thought that he would go crazy again. Carol doesn't tell and convinces the others not to tell. She starts to go veer toward crazy. Morgan seems to be aware that she is losing it. Then she runs off and he goes after her. I think he feels guilty for hurting her (even if she was fighting him too), maybe feeling guilty because he doesn't tell Rick and the others that Carol needs some support. Then he doesn't give up the search for her. Finds her and is trying to bring her back. Then when he finds her lying on the ground being tortured by a savior and he has to truly face that his whole "all life is precious" mantra won't work in this case. If he doesn't kill the savior? Carol dies. There is not a peaceful option. Carol's murderer is literally standing over her body enjoying her suffering. He's angry that it doesn't work to say all life is precious and then watch Carol be murdered . He over kills the savior because he has been forced to deal with the reality that he will have to kill to protect others. In fact, by not killing he allowed others to die. There are times I really hate TWD. Season 7 should have been the year that Carol, Daryl, and Morgan were finally able to heal and move on. Instead it is just another "Big Bad" and endless brutality. |
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Apr 22, 2016 22:52:02 GMT -5
booksrbetter This entire thing doesn't make a lick of sense. How much guilt can he really feel? Couldn't be too much because he didn't tell Rick how he body slammed Carol. Instead he gave some convoluted explanation why trying to save Alpha Wolf was reasonable and necessary. And why did it take him so long to figure out that if he doesn't kill others will die? So he didn't learn the lesson when his refusal to put down his walker wife led to his son's death. Or how by not killing the two wolves at the camp, who were trying to kill him, caused a chain reaction leading them to ASZ where said wolves tried to annihilate everyone on sight. So basically, tptb want us to know Morgan's a dumbass. I hate this arc almost as much as I hate the whole Grady mess. If you would have told me that one day I would hate Morgan, I'd call you a liar. Good work, Gimple.
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Post by booksrbetter on Apr 23, 2016 9:29:23 GMT -5
booksrbetter This entire thing doesn't make a lick of sense. How much guilt can he really feel? Couldn't be too much because he didn't tell Rick how he body slammed Carol. Instead he gave some convoluted explanation why trying to save Alpha Wolf was reasonable and necessary. And why did it take him so long to figure out that if he doesn't kill others will die? So he didn't learn the lesson when his refusal to put down his walker wife led to his son's death. Or how by not killing the two wolves at the camp, who were trying to kill him, caused a chain reaction leading them to ASZ where said wolves tried to annihilate everyone on sight. So basically, tptb want us to know Morgan's a dumbass. I hate this arc almost as much as I hate the whole Grady mess. If you would have told me that one day I would hate Morgan, I'd call you a liar. Good work, Gimple. Guilt makes you want to hide what you did. Morgan doesn't want to face that his control slipped when he hurt Carol. We are supposed to believe that he is a master of self defense and should be able to control Carol without hurting her. Maybe a better question is why Carol didn't tell. She was losing control too. Both of them were stupid. I can't defend this terrble story line. I believe it to be worse than Grady because at least Grady was strictly the B Team. Less talented actress in a arc that was always going to end with her death. Beth tried to be a warrior and she couldn't do it right. Now Morgan-Carol storyline has the A Team performers. MMB and LJ are talented and have huge fan bases. So for some weird reason they both had to be trying to reject being a warrior only to find out that they had to be in order to keep people alive. So I agree that Morgan is an annoying dumbass right now, but he is also the guy who cared enough about Carol to not give up the search when he and Rick were tracking her. They knew she was probably wounded and would die out there. Rick went back to Alexandria in the vehicle. Morgan knew that his search would probably lead to his having to put Carol down if she had turned into a walker or try to help tend to a wounded Carol in a dangerous environment. I think that he was heroic in a way when he was out there on the horse. He made a conscious decision to forego "All life is precious" because Carol was more important than that philsophy. I hate this arc with the white hot intensity of ten thousand suns because both Carol and Morgan look like dumb asses. Carol doesn't want to kill but she puts an automatic weapon in her sleeve so that she can kill to protect herself. Morgan doesn't want to kill but he stands by and allows the wolves hack up defenseless women. Gimple is an idiot. |
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Apr 23, 2016 18:10:33 GMT -5
My fear is that Gimple doesn't know when to quit. Something tells me we're going to have at least another half season of Morgan trying to get Carol into a figurative jail cell.
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Post by Meggo358 on Apr 26, 2016 13:49:55 GMT -5
My fear is that Gimple doesn't know when to quit. Something tells me we're going to have at least another half season of Morgan trying to get Carol into a figurative jail cell. I've been wondering about this myself and the significance of Morgan breaking his "no kill" policy to save Carol. He didn't have to kill that savior. He easily could have just shot him in the arm to disable his attack - instead he unloaded on the guy. I think we're supposed to think two things as a result of this development: 1. As forced and unpleasant it is (to me, at least), Morgan has some kind of regard for Carol in that he believes her life is more important than his philosophy and not all life is precious 2. Morgan has less control over himself than he'd like to believe, and he needs a new life plan. He can't be preaching one thing and encouraging everyone else to do another (well, I guess he can but that would be weird). I think we'll see Morgan struggle a lot this season with the realization that Carol was more "right" than he in terms of how you can approach the new world. It's a messier, more complicated approach to living in the new world, but i think if anything we'll see Morgan questioning himself a lot more this year, perhaps with Carol - once healed - teaching him how to survive in their new world |
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Apr 26, 2016 16:54:50 GMT -5
Meggo358 But why was/is Morgan more concerned with Carol's moral health and not Rick's? Shouldn't he be chasing after Rick to save him from himself? Which, imo, would have been great to see because of how their friendship began. Ugh, I hate this damn storyline. This thing is going to drag out to the point where he'll be telling Shiva that all life is precious.
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Post by Meggo358 on Apr 26, 2016 18:41:27 GMT -5
Meggo358 But why was/is Morgan more concerned with Carol's moral health and not Rick's? Shouldn't he be chasing after Rick to save him from himself? Which, imo, would have been great to see because of how their friendship began. Ugh, I hate this damn storyline. This thing is going to drag out to the point where he'll be telling Shiva that all life is precious. Why Carol and not Rick? to me that comes down to bad writing and forced story, same reason Denise saw something in Daryl that seemed familial. But I am glad for the fact that Morgan now can't pull the "all life is precious" card, since he's proven himself wrong. I think we've seen the end of that. |
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on May 3, 2016 0:19:22 GMT -5
So when Morgan told Rick not to come searching for him, do you think this is a clue to Morgan's impending death or does it just mean Morgan and Rick won't meet up again until 7B?
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Post by Meggo358 on May 3, 2016 14:45:46 GMT -5
So when Morgan told Rick not to come searching for him, do you think this is a clue to Morgan's impending death or does it just mean Morgan and Rick won't meet up again until 7B? Both possibilities sound equally plausible to me, though I dislike the 7b theory as I think it's more likely than not that would indicate Carol wouldn't reconnect with Rick until 7b. An alternate theory is that this is simply the shows way of preventing Carol and Morgan to team family for a briefer period of time, perhaps creating a "surprise" reunion when the two groups finally cross paths |
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on May 3, 2016 15:42:26 GMT -5
So when Morgan told Rick not to come searching for him, do you think this is a clue to Morgan's impending death or does it just mean Morgan and Rick won't meet up again until 7B? Both possibilities sound equally plausible to me, though I dislike the 7b theory as I think it's more likely than not that would indicate Carol wouldn't reconnect with Rick until 7b. An alternate theory is that this is simply the shows way of preventing Carol and Morgan to team family for a briefer period of time, perhaps creating a "surprise" reunion when the two groups finally cross paths Carol not appearing to 7B is my biggest fear and since the Gimp is determined to glue Morgan to her back like some kind of barnacle (can you see my eyes rolling from where you are?), I'm afraid that once again she'll go missing for multiple consecutive episodes. I do agree there will ab surprise reunion of sorts. |
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Post by Ripley on May 3, 2016 15:46:51 GMT -5
I have wondered since 'JSS' whether or not Morgan would simply walk away from Rick's group and find another place better suited to his disposition. We haven't seen that on TWD before, where a character simply decides Rick's philosophies and methods are wrong, or too extreme. Carol left for her own reasons around not wanting to kill.
Very curious to see where Morgan's journey takes him in season 7 and if he can reconcile reality well and swiftly after he made the deliberate choice to kill in order to save Carol's life.
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Post by Meggo358 on May 3, 2016 21:33:13 GMT -5
Both possibilities sound equally plausible to me, though I dislike the 7b theory as I think it's more likely than not that would indicate Carol wouldn't reconnect with Rick until 7b. An alternate theory is that this is simply the shows way of preventing Carol and Morgan to team family for a briefer period of time, perhaps creating a "surprise" reunion when the two groups finally cross paths Carol not appearing to 7B is my biggest fear and since the Gimp is determined to glue Morgan to her back like some kind of barnacle (can you see my eyes rolling from where you are?), I'm afraid that once again she'll go missing for multiple consecutive episodes. I do agree there will ab surprise reunion of sorts. I think Carol is too big of a character for the show to go 8 episodes without her being seen. Her story ended last season up in the air, and nothing about it provided any satisfying (even gimples version of satisfying) finality that would afford the show to get away with ditching her for half a season. I'm think episode 3 we'll have our Carol back. Given that, actually, I guess we'd have to assume we'll see Morgan sooner. I didn't think the "don't look for me" comment was as final as others did though - it just seemed like a convenient line to make in order to justify why Rick doesn't round back in trying to find him and Carol. And then we'll have Morgan and Carol running into TF down the line, though I imagine this reunion will be quite different from the last one. Ripley, Morgan walking off into the sunset is an interesting idea. Morgan has less ties to TF than anyone, of course, and it seems likely that someone would at some point just leave based on philosophical differences. |
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on May 3, 2016 22:46:54 GMT -5
Meggo358 I forgot about episode 3. Hopefully, we do get some Carol, and I hope episode 3 isn't a time jump because I'm tired of Carol healing miraculously from life threatening injuries.
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Post by Meggo358 on May 3, 2016 22:54:57 GMT -5
Sexual Chocolate, my sister from another mister, this would be one of the few times I wouldn't mind at all if carols magic healing powers took effect during a time jump. I've had enough of the misery porn that's taken over her story (unless it's those knight guys taking care of her... then I'd be okay with it). I actually think we'll have Morgan, Carol and the kingdom in ep 3, with a possible time skip following that (because let's face it - it would be dull watching Carol be hurt for an entire season) and Morgan and Carol reunited with team family in episodes 6 or 7. Just making up this timeline based on how things have rolled in past seasons.
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Post by reckon on May 3, 2016 23:07:04 GMT -5
It should have been a Rick/Morgan story arc. Morgan saw Rick take a large group to preemptively murder the saviors in their sleep. Morgan saw Carol kill the Wolves when they started hacking to death the Alexandrian residents, including children. So who does Morgan hound and guilt trip? Carol. Who did Morgan walk hundreds of miles through a ZA to find? Rick. Horrible writing. Lennie and Melissa deserve better. Much better.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on May 3, 2016 23:19:01 GMT -5
Sexual Chocolate , my sister from another mister, this would be one of the few times I wouldn't mind at all if carols magic healing powers took effect during a time jump. I've had enough of the misery porn that's taken over her story (unless it's those knight guys taking care of her... then I'd be okay with it). I actually think we'll have Morgan, Carol and the kingdom in ep 3, with a possible time skip following that (because let's face it - it would be dull watching Carol be hurt for an entire season) and Morgan and Carol reunited with team family in episodes 6 or 7. Just making up this timeline based on how things have rolled in past seasons.  This is definitely us. I don't want to see Carol suffer, nor do I need her to be in pain, but it's time that we (I) get to experience the aftermath of surviving major injuries. I want the same for Daryl. Not to have their injuries be the main parts of their stories, but to be components of them. Plus, once Caryl reunites I'ma need them to kiss some naked body parts to make them feel better. |
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Post by Meggo358 on May 4, 2016 8:54:08 GMT -5
Sexual Chocolate , my sister from another mister, this would be one of the few times I wouldn't mind at all if carols magic healing powers took effect during a time jump. I've had enough of the misery porn that's taken over her story (unless it's those knight guys taking care of her... then I'd be okay with it). I actually think we'll have Morgan, Carol and the kingdom in ep 3, with a possible time skip following that (because let's face it - it would be dull watching Carol be hurt for an entire season) and Morgan and Carol reunited with team family in episodes 6 or 7. Just making up this timeline based on how things have rolled in past seasons. This is definitely us. I don't want to see Carol suffer, nor do I need her to be in pain, but it's time that we (I) get to experience the aftermath of surviving major injuries. I want the same for Daryl. Not to have their injuries be the main parts of their stories, but to be components of them. Plus, once Caryl reunites I'ma need them to kiss some naked body parts to make them feel better. Aww, we're so fluffy!! I hear what you're saying, definitely - I agree it would make a more realistic story to incorporate carols injuries into her story and I think that is more likely, to be honest. Don't know about Daryl though - I feel like he'll be all healed up by the time TF crosses paths with Carol again. Just my instinct (which is usually wrong anyway!) |
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Post by Starlight on May 4, 2016 9:31:29 GMT -5
Everytime I saw Morgan's face through season 6  My take on the conversation between Rick and Morgan is that Morgan was saying goodbye to Rick and was leaving ASZ for good. I think the the kindgom is for Morgan and Carol is there by default because the show needs a fan favorite there. Morgan will be now taking on michonne's comic arc now, with bonding with Ezekiel but without the sex part. |
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on May 4, 2016 13:38:20 GMT -5
Meggo358 You're probably right. Both will be all healed up and their injuries will never be talked about again. sigh..
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Post by candi18z on May 4, 2016 18:36:50 GMT -5
It should have been a Rick/Morgan story arc. Morgan saw Rick take a large group to preemptively murder the saviors in their sleep. Morgan saw Carol kill the Wolves when they started hacking to death the Alexandrian residents, including children. So who does Morgan hound and guilt trip? Carol. Who did Morgan walk hundreds of miles through a ZA to find? Rick. Horrible writing. Lennie and Melissa deserve better. Much better. In my opinion Gimple did the old bait and switch with Morgan's story, and I have no idea why. The Comic-Con trailer made it look like it was Morgan vs Rick as did most of TWD promos. Even episode 6.1 started with Rick vs Morgan, but halfway through the episode we get the switch and Morgan starts harassing Carol. For the remainder of season 6 we get Morgan vs Carol for no real reason. Gimple has almost isolated Carol from everyone but Morgan. The Morgan vs Carol storyline is a strange one that Gimple seems to love, and I think that it will continue in season 7. |
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Post by greaterpursuit on May 4, 2016 18:52:43 GMT -5
Meggo358 But why was/is Morgan more concerned with Carol's moral health and not Rick's? Shouldn't he be chasing after Rick to save him from himself? Which, imo, would have been great to see because of how their friendship began. Ugh, I hate this damn storyline. This thing is going to drag out to the point where he'll be telling Shiva that all life is precious. He can recite this to Shiva while she's chowing down on his tasty butt. Can you tell I loathe Morgan? |
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Post by reckon on May 5, 2016 0:24:57 GMT -5
It should have been a Rick/Morgan story arc. Morgan saw Rick take a large group to preemptively murder the saviors in their sleep. Morgan saw Carol kill the Wolves when they started hacking to death the Alexandrian residents, including children. So who does Morgan hound and guilt trip? Carol. Who did Morgan walk hundreds of miles through a ZA to find? Rick. Horrible writing. Lennie and Melissa deserve better. Much better. In my opinion Gimple did the old bait and switch with Morgan's story, and I have no idea why. The Comic-Con trailer made it look like it was Morgan vs Rick as did most of TWD promos. Even episode 6.1 started with Rick vs Morgan, but halfway through the episode we get the switch and Morgan starts harassing Carol. For the remainder of season 6 we get Morgan vs Carol for no real reason. Gimple has almost isolated Carol from everyone but Morgan. The Morgan vs Carol storyline is a strange one that Gimple seems to love, and I think that it will continue in season 7.  |
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Post by Starlight on May 5, 2016 8:52:34 GMT -5
It should have been a Rick/Morgan story arc. Morgan saw Rick take a large group to preemptively murder the saviors in their sleep. Morgan saw Carol kill the Wolves when they started hacking to death the Alexandrian residents, including children. So who does Morgan hound and guilt trip? Carol. Who did Morgan walk hundreds of miles through a ZA to find? Rick. Horrible writing. Lennie and Melissa deserve better. Much better. In my opinion Gimple did the old bait and switch with Morgan's story, and I have no idea why. The Comic-Con trailer made it look like it was Morgan vs Rick as did most of TWD promos. Even episode 6.1 started with Rick vs Morgan, but halfway through the episode we get the switch and Morgan starts harassing Carol. For the remainder of season 6 we get Morgan vs Carol for no real reason. Gimple has almost isolated Carol from everyone but Morgan. The Morgan vs Carol storyline is a strange one that Gimple seems to love, and I think that it will continue in season 7. As much as I love Carol / MMB I can't stand any scenes between Carol and Morgan. I will be FF any scenes between them in season 7. Especially if it in details Carol being Eastman by Dickstick ( which is a big fear for me that SG will continue to screw up Carol to prop Morgan) So i'm hoping that Carol will be left to heal and interact with some of the kindgom people. And Morgan focuses on Ezekiel and the kindgom. |
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Post by Meggo358 on May 5, 2016 11:19:56 GMT -5
I don't see how Morgan could continue his "all life is precious" routine at this point. That would require he pretend the events in ep 16 didn't happen. I think we're meant to see his killing of the savior as a turning point in his story.
I'm still open to not hating Morgan - I think they made terrible choices with his character this past season (a problem that isn't exclusive to him) and I can't really understand how they thought this would go over well. But I am hoping/thinking I will find him more sympathetic next season if they show him struggle to reconcile his dedication to his no kill philosophy with the realities of his world.
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on May 5, 2016 11:20:14 GMT -5
Starlight There's literally only once scene where I thought they had good chemistry and that was when he found her outside the library. Other than that, the two of them together cause me to roll eyes and hope the scene ends quickly, and I never thought I'd think that about anything having to do with MMB.
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Post by greaterpursuit on Feb 20, 2017 17:10:33 GMT -5
Bumping this up because as a result of Episode 10, we have stickless Morgan. Whatever will he do?
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Post by Sexual Chocolate on Feb 20, 2017 17:52:31 GMT -5
Bumping this up because as a result of Episode 10, we have stickless Morgan. Whatever will he do? That was such a strange scene. I was caught between feeling sorry for him and wanting to laugh at how he almost begged to get it back. So unless he wants to whittle a new one, his choices are either bow or gun. I wonder which one will be used to {Spoiler}
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Post by scarletbegonias on Feb 20, 2017 18:45:27 GMT -5
My guess is there's definitely a challenge coming for Morgan, one he will have to face without his stick. I bet if he didn't ask for it, the stick would have been left behind.
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